A1 Savage Astrologian PoV

[Psychosamm]

Psycho this is where you are wrong. The Healers did their jobs, the dps did theirs. the tanks theirs. THe astro supported its party with well timed buffs and heals. The thing about A1s is its not as aoe intensive as people make it out to be. THere are aoes yes. But you dont spam aoe heals, you Hot and wait ands pot heal as needed. The fairy alone has the ability to top off after HOT rolling its not as heal intensive as people complain. There are specific times AOE goes out, and there is specific times when tanks need top offs.They apparently knew when toheal and when not to.The cards helped push the dps, helped resource management, and the astro healed "efficiently"so did the sch. Neither carried the other THIS is how communication works. They are great heals in capable hands.. but TERRIBLE heals in the hand of players who are used to spamming medica. I will say it again. Astro are a spot heal/focus heal healer.

I am aware that they are not a WHM or SCH, however casting 3 aoe heals the entire 10 minute fight is not pulling your weight in the aoe department as much as you should. Sure eos can just whispering dawn every minute, sure the sch can waste a stack of aetherflow for indom, or waste 1300 MP on a emergency tactics succor, the sch is pretty much carrying the group in the aoe department, and you cannot say otherwise. Just because the AST "isnt a whm" doesn't mean they aren't supposed to aoe. It's the fact they simply CAN'T aoe heal without going oom in a fight like that. It's because of that reason the sch is unable to increase dps with selene, or go cleric to help with DPS, sure they are a healer, and healers heal, but in the progression world you often need to help dps to make progress.

Astro needs help, please stop trying to play it off with "oh they are helping the raid with their cards." They really ARE NOT. It has been shown that selene helps with dps more than a AST with their cards. Sure the newly fixed MP TP cards are useful, but AST's utility simply does not outweigh their weakness. Period.

[Vlady]

I am aware that they are not a WHM or SCH, however casting 3 aoe heals the entire 10 minute fight is not pulling your weight in the aoe department as much as you should. Sure eos can just whispering dawn every minute, sure the sch can waste a stack of aetherflow for indom, or waste 1300 MP on a emergency tactics succor, the sch is pretty much carrying the group in the aoe department, and you cannot say otherwise. Just because the AST "isnt a whm" doesn't mean they aren't supposed to aoe. It's the fact they simply CAN'T aoe heal without going oom in a fight like that. It's because of that reason the sch is unable to increase dps with selene, or go cleric to help with DPS, sure they are a healer, and healers heal, but in the progression world you often need to help dps to make progress.

Astro needs help, please stop trying to play it off with "oh they are helping the raid with their cards." They really ARE NOT. It has been shown that selene helps with dps more than a AST with their cards. Sure the newly fixed MP TP cards are useful, but AST's utility simply does not outweigh their weakness. Period.

The astrologian needs help? Minus SE giving us two silly cooldowns and stance nerf the only thing astrologian at most needs. So much negativity when its already proven that the astrologian can heal all aspects of the game.

[Ghishlain]

The astrologian needs help? Minus SE giving us two silly cooldowns and stance nerf the only thing astrologian at most needs. So much negativity when its already proven that the astrologian can heal all aspects of the game.

Has there been an AST that cleared A3S yet this week? This is very important as the first groups clearing A3S were this week. If an AST-centred group cannot clear A3S this week, this shows either:

1. No one is bringing AST to high end tiers of progression
2. AST doesn't have the capability to handle A3S

And yes, this is a very serious question as if AST is as capable as everyone makes it out to, then they will have a clear group this week. It doesn't bode well for AST balance if a group with an AST can't clear this week.

[DarkmoonVael]

Has there been an AST that cleared A3S yet this week? This is very important as the first groups clearing A3S were this week. If an AST-centred group cannot clear A3S this week, this shows either:

1. No one is bringing AST to high end tiers of progression
2. AST doesn't have the capability to handle A3S

And yes, this is a very serious question as if AST is as capable as everyone makes it out to, then they will have a clear group this week. It doesn't bode well for AST balance if a group with an AST can't clear this week.

Also interesting to note that its not just vs SCH and WHM that AST is losing out of in savage. AST is the only one of the three new jobs that is failing to find a place in progression raid groups in Savage at the moment with both DRK and MCH finding functionality and places within progression raid groups.

[Staris]

Also interesting to note that its not just vs SCH and WHM that AST is losing out of in savage. AST is the only one of the three new jobs that is failing to find a place in progression raid groups in Savage at the moment with both DRK and MCH finding functionality and places within progression raid groups.

I severely doubt anyone beat it this week without using DK/Warrior/Ninja. Does that means paladins suck? No. Also the sample size of groups that have killed a3 is like 2.... so rather hard to draw conclusions from what could amount to personal preference and time practicing.
Its not hard to do the healing on A3 savage as a astro, my group is progressing just fine. In fact I would hypothesize I could solo heal it up to the end of the add phase, getting the tanks to survive all the firechains without adlo would be the trickiest part (mainly because they are wearing melded str/vit accessories).

[DarkmoonVael]

I severely doubt anyone beat it this week without using DK/Warrior/Ninja. Does that means paladins suck? No. Also the sample size of groups that have killed a3 is like 2.... so rather hard to draw conclusions from what could amount to personal preference and time practicing.
Its not hard to do the healing on A3 savage as a astro, my group is progressing just fine. In fact I would hypothesize I could solo heal it up to the end of the add phase, getting the tanks to survive all the firechains without adlo would be the trickiest part (mainly because they are wearing melded str/vit accessories).

PLD are still an integral part of the raid groups that are pushing progression. What is happening is that in the higher floors, PLD is being subbed out for DRK to push that little bit more dps. Ninja and WAR are also pretty integral to push progression DPS. The other classes you havent mentioned are MNK, DRG, MCH, BRD, SMN And BLM. Usually the other raid spot for melee can be taken by either of the two other melees, both bringing abilities and on par dps to the raid. The caster spot can be determined by either taking a BLM when high single target dps is needed, or a SMN where sustained and aoe dps is needed, both also offer significantly similar single target dps. The dps "support" slot can be interchanged without much hassle, although if you run two casters, BRD offer more dps increase in that set up, whilst MCH does the same for two melee party composition. So what we can see is that there is a lot of interchangeability offered in these classes; tanks can be swapped out on floors to play to their strengths; dps can be likewise, depending on melee, caster and support roles and compositions. Healers, however is an entirely different story. AST offers significantly less than the other 2 healers, both in healing throughput, utility and party buffs.
So trying this kind of turntable logic with me where your just trying to say "people are using DRK over PLD in certain circumstances is the same as you saying people are taking any healer over AST" just doesnt cut it. Fallacious logic is fallacious.

AST right now is in a weaker position than both SCH and WHM in terms of healing, utility, buffs and dps in raid settings. Right now, out of Tanks, DPS and Healer classes, the Healer section is the only one where one of the jobs is glaringly behind the other .

[Psychosamm]

The astrologian needs help? Minus SE giving us two silly cooldowns and stance nerf the only thing astrologian at most needs. So much negativity when its already proven that the astrologian can heal all aspects of the game.

Really you think that's all Astro needs help with? How about the fact they have no means of increasing their healing potency aside from noct stance, which is generally regarded as worthless, when their healing potencies are lower than the other 2 healers to begin with? How about the fact that they still have glaring MP issues? They are forced to use Ewer on themselves instead of shuffling for the party, they are forced to use Celestial opposition on themselves (as seen in the video) for LA and ewer instead of using it on the party. Because of this their already weak card buffs are being wasted even more so, with no added benefit to healing.