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  1. #41
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    Sapphic's Avatar
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    And here it's finally revealed that tanks are actually the kings of DPS, closely followed by White Mages. Enmity = DPS, so it makes sense, right? It doesn't sound any more crazy than what you're proposing here. Several classes actually have skills that reduce enmity, which makes the enmity meter a very poor substitute for a DPS meter.
    Guess we will have raid with 6 tanks and 2xWHMs! XD
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  2. #42
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Guess we will have raid with 6 tanks and 2xWHMs! XD
    Yep, let's split it up 2 PLD 2 DRK 2 WAR for variety. Best DPS evar! :3
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Yep, let's split it up 2 PLD 2 DRK 2 WAR for variety. Best DPS evar! :3
    Not 6xWAR? WAR OP! ^_^

    But super sereal :P A1 (S) will become a lot easier next week when the ilvl 200 weapons start to enter into the mix. As hardest part is pushing that DPS, mechanics are pretty simple to be fair. Was happy to get it cleared before next weeks reset.
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  4. #44
    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Raiden
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterJointss View Post
    My thing is, who cares? Everyone knows what people are referring to. So why try to be the schmuck who tries to correct people when it clearly doesnt matter.
    I enjoy arguing semantics.

    It gets peoples' panties in a bunch, which I find incredibly amusing. I mean, getting bent out of shape over semantics.

    *giggles*
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  5. #45
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Tonberry
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    "ok guys we are hitting enrage but I can't see how that's possible since all our DPS are just trailing the full fending tank who is doing 300 DPS. We must have amazing DPS."
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  6. #46
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    Powercow Cowcow
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    And here it's finally revealed that tanks are actually the kings of DPS, closely followed by White Mages. Enmity = DPS, so it makes sense, right? It doesn't sound any more crazy than what you're proposing here. Several classes actually have skills that reduce enmity, which makes the enmity meter a very poor substitute for a DPS meter.
    I was doing top DPS in a fight once, then I hit Shroud of Saints and it made my DPS plummet.
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    FOR DOCKHAND!

  7. #47
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    Clarkamite's Avatar
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    Firelord Azula
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Just once I'd like someone who says "just use the hate meter to judge DPS" who then gets put in their place by pointing out how the hate meter tells you nothing about DPS, to respond and see what they say. Like, I am legitimately interested in what they think about that. Not so I can tell them how wrong they are (I'll let everyone else do that) but because I want to know if that's ever been thought of in their head. When I HAVE to pop quelling as BLM and am subsequently lower on the hate meter for a bit, I wonder if they actually think I'm low DPS.

    Or like someone else brought up, SMN. SMN are almost NEVER on top of the hate meter. Between their DPS being split between them and their pet, and their damage not necessarily being all up front like a lot of other jobs, they're just lower on the meter. Actually what makes that interesting is when you see a SMN ahead of a DPS like DRG for example. If the SMN is ahead of them on the hate meter and the DRG hasn't died or used elusive jump, you know that DRG is bad.
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    Last edited by Clarkamite; 07-31-2015 at 07:31 PM.

  8. #48
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkamite View Post
    Just once I'd like someone who says "just use the hate meter to judge DPS" who then gets put in their place by pointing out how the hate meter tells you nothing about DPS, to respond and see what they say. Like, I am legitimately interested in what they think about that. Not so I can tell them how wrong they are (I'll let everyone else do that) but because I want to know if that's ever been thought of in their head. When I HAVE to pop quelling as BLM and am subsequently lower on the hate meter for a bit, I wonder if they actually think I'm low DPS.
    They don't think, they are reaching for excuses to not put in a parser and run away before adequately defending the indefensible. They actually don't care about DPS at all which is convenient for them because their own DPS is rubbish and want to shut down any attempt to uncover this.

    Pity for them parsing is widespread and no one is banned for it lol, I guess they sound bitter because they will never escape the fact that people will judge their performance.
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  9. #49
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    Axel Darkhero
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    Phoenix
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    Archer Lv 100
    The old 'aggro = DPS' thing is particularly bad on this fight, because there are 2 bosses and a bunch of adds to deal with... What use is comparing your aggro against other party members when you aren't even attacking the same thing?
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  10. #50
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    ShaneDawn's Avatar
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    Shannon Dawn
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    Moogle
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AxelDH View Post
    The old 'aggro = DPS' thing is particularly bad on this fight, because there are 2 bosses and a bunch of adds to deal with... What use is comparing your aggro against other party members when you aren't even attacking the same thing?
    Also skills like Quelling Strikes, Shadewalker and Smoke Screen affect enmity generation. Anyone who's making decisions on hate meter alone is very clueless.
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