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    Hello there, been following the forums for months now. You guys do some awesome work here.

    I have made an account just to ask this question. When do you actually use T1? Not talking about TC. I mean hard casting a thunder spell. Usually, I only do it as a filler in the first Enochian cycle. Because most the time, I don't have any time to cast it in the second or third cycle, you know, mechanics and stuff called aoe -_-' but if I had the time, then I do it as a filler only.
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    Miranda Madison
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    Inside Umbral phase and usually right after Blizzard III as filler/"clock" for the next tick. Why? Because the MP lost(707) from Thunder 1 is returned while in this phase, that and no worry of changing phases while without max MP. You already know this, but all your MP is for Fire I/Fire 4 casting.
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    Last edited by Twilite; 07-27-2015 at 07:49 PM.

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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    It can't be help. Deathflare is part of the Summoner ST rotation.
    I know. Just threw out some numbers about the difference. It's also kinda fun to see the SMN being 400 DPS ahead of everyone in that fight because of it.
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen_Owl View Post
    Hello there, been following the forums for months now. You guys do some awesome work here.

    I have made an account just to ask this question. When do you actually use T1? Not talking about TC. I mean hard casting a thunder spell. Usually, I only do it as a filler in the first Enochian cycle. Because most the time, I don't have any time to cast it in the second or third cycle, you know, mechanics and stuff called aoe -_-' but if I had the time, then I do it as a filler only.
    I use T1 as a filler during UI. I think everybody does that. The TC change and potency change does not make the rotation different.


    Quote Originally Posted by ViscountofSeven View Post
    Great guide! will use this in my new main for a while
    It's slightly outdated... I'll try to update it after my raid.
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    Arthurherb Fonzarelli
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    The changes for Thundercloud only made our proc management worst (Although it was a really nice buff in A1S)
    you think so? I agree that at first it was a bit awkward but after a couple days of play I think i'm getting the timing down.
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  6. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by drizzle234 View Post
    you think so? I agree that at first it was a bit awkward but after a couple days of play I think i'm getting the timing down.
    The management is worst but the gain is better. It's harder to get that gain.
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    Alixander Fey
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    I'd really love to see what tweaks you're making to this Aikaal. I follow your rotation almost to the letter, but I'm getting out DPS'd by a few really good black mages and I'm trying to figure out what's setting me apart. Any advice on how to handle Thunder 1/Thundercloud? I've been weaving it in as best I can and I think it's a DPS gain but like I said, I'm getting beaten out by higher tier players and I'd like to know why.
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    Philia Felice
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisetheglass1 View Post
    I'd really love to see what tweaks you're making to this Aikaal. I follow your rotation almost to the letter, but I'm getting out DPS'd by a few really good black mages and I'm trying to figure out what's setting me apart. Any advice on how to handle Thunder 1/Thundercloud? I've been weaving it in as best I can and I think it's a DPS gain but like I said, I'm getting beaten out by higher tier players and I'd like to know why.
    Are you getting beaten out in the same party or just seeing other group's parses? If it's the former, consider any possible mechanics you may have gotten they didn't. If it's the latter, consider encounter duration, group comp, and group strats will vary greatly and it is impossible to fairly judge your numbers vs a different group's BLM in most fights.
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    Alixander Fey
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    I'm doing something like 1140 on a dummy with no pots/food, and a really good blm i know is doing more like 1240. In fights comparing parses my damage is usually lower by about that %. I don't run with a bard but I'm doing about 850 in Ravana Ex on reasonably timed kills.
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    After doing the opener, do you guys keep Ley Lines on cd? I tend to save it for a new Enochian cycle. I just don't know if that's a dps gain or loss.
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