Bard - they broke my job

[ruskie]

can anyone explain to me why we got that much WD in the first place? it doesnt make much sense to me from just seeing it. would rly help me understandthe other classes better if i knew why BRD and MCH must have less. i mean it cant just be so that we got less dmg than the rest there must be some reason to it right?

Because we have mobility. We can keep 100% uptime while dodging and such.

[yamochan]

Because we have mobility. We can keep 100% uptime while dodging and such.

only that we cant anymore so it makes 0 sense

[Clarkamite]

only that we cant anymore so it makes 0 sense

Don't have any numbers for you to give you a real good feel but the amount of DPS you can add with a Foe Rec more than makes up for whatever you would be missing in WD. Bard has the ability to give you an absolute monster increase of DPS just by singing a song so the tradeoff has to be that they do less. Otherwise there would be no point to running anything other than two Bards and two other DPS.

I can tell you from being a caster that with the way the game is scaling now, it's even more noticeable than it was before. What is normally a 3700 Fire IV all of a sudden becomes a 4400 Fire IV. If your group is like mine and runs two casters, that increase is made even more astronomical. Not saying it doesn't suck to feel underpowered compared to other DPS, because it does, but you can't really say too much about playing a job who's main draw was that they enhance the rest of the group. They were never meant to be a standout DPS monster by themselves.

[yamochan]

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well ill just say this read some pages back plz we discussed the whole support issue before we dont support the whole group with one song always just a part of it.

support from other classes is also very strong and to bring 2 BRDs makes very little sense. bring a BRD and a MCH well maybe but still not great bring a BRD and a NIN however is a very good enchance group without the LB debuff from dual classes. BRD is no support class it queues up as Dmg Dealer.

So that does still not explain the small WD cause we cant move all time anymore even with swapping in and out of WM and we are behind quite a bit in terms of dmg so closing that cap would be a start instead of making it even bigger as we can see...

[AkashiXI]

Because we have mobility. We can keep 100% uptime while dodging and such.

I don't quite understand this argument though. Summoner has the ability to constantly dps regardless of movement, so why isn't their weapon inherently weaker to their Black Mage counterpart? Also I could see your reasoning back in maybe 2.2, but almost every ex primal, coil (except a few spots like t13 Earthshaker) and dungeons cater to turret style gameplay. Very rarely do I see a melee jump off the boss, and A1/2 savage practically begs you to play endgame like it's Striking Dummy Savage Mode.

[Warlyx]

I don't quite understand this argument though.

i dont remember but WD for bows were nerfed in 2.0 ? , because at the time titan HM and turn 1 was all the rage

titan HM being a movement heavy fight ppl wanted brds the most , and turn 1 with ADS ppl wanted 1 bard for silencing and mana song (lack of gear healers went oomp fast :P)

and SE watched how melees were neglected , blm too , SMN always have a spot because rez in combat , virus and eye for eye , not must have but nice to have.

We currently feel that the bards are a little too strong due to the amount of damage they can do without being impacted that much from the fight.

.....times have changed eh?

[AkashiXI]

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In 2.1 we received our first nerf, 2.2 we received another. I still feel, to this day, they were unwarranted and the only thing I agree was making cross class abilities weaker. Monk was also considered to be the worst job in early 2.0 until people realized GL was almost a 100% upkeep. But yes, times have changed, and there are many mindsets of Bard that no longer apply. I do hope Yoshida-san considers everything Bards are saying, and I just want the job to feel fluid again.