Tomestones and Roulette's

[Felis]

I really wish this is what they would do. The whole point of the roulette was to promote the running of older content. Why should they care whether we do the roulette at max level or not? All that matters is that we are running the content.

Jobs lower than max level don't need tomes to lure them into roulette. They already get exp for it.

[SendohJin]

so level your DRG with Low Level and if you want more tomes do Fractal/Neverreap/Alex without roulette afterwards.

[Fendred]

I think the issue is that with the weekly lockouts, caps, and the rate at which you get the tomestone currency, the esoteric currency is actually worth more than experience points. No one is penalized for missing a week of leveling because there isn't anything blockading people from getting experience points on a regular basis. I think it would be a good idea to recognize this and keep the currently capped tomestones on the roulettes regardless of level.

[SendohJin]

I'm not sure I grasp the point of this stance. For the person who wouldn't be getting the exp bonus, would it not be safe to assume the reason they would not be getting the exp bonus is because all of their classes are leveled, or simply has no interest in leveling the other classes?

no, that's not safe to assume. some people are sacrificing not leveling another class so they can get more tomes. that doesn't mean you can say they have no interest in leveling other classes. they just prioritize their time differently. it's blatantly unfair for 2 people to do the same dungeon and one person gets a lot more rewards than the other. the world isn't always fair but the OP specifically asked for us to comment on the fairness of his proposal.

[Naunet]

it's totally unfair to get XP and the same number of Tomes as someone who isn't getting XP.

i don't think this change is needed.

How is this unfair? You've got no need for XP if you go in on a capped character, so...

no, that's not safe to assume. some people are sacrificing not leveling another class so they can get more tomes. that doesn't mean you can say they have no interest in leveling other classes. they just prioritize their time differently. it's blatantly unfair for 2 people to do the same dungeon and one person gets a lot more rewards than the other. the world isn't always fair but the OP specifically asked for us to comment on the fairness of his proposal.

The point of this change would be that you don't have to sacrifice not leveling another class to get tomes. You wouldn't be forced to choose. You could have both.

[SendohJin]

How is this unfair? You've got no need for XP if you go in on a capped character, so...



The point of this change would be that you don't have to sacrifice not leveling another class to get tomes. You wouldn't be forced to choose. You could have both.

you answered your own question. after the change 1 person can have both, the other person can't have both, that by definition is unfair.

Player 1 enters at Lv 60, gets 100 Law 5 Eso
Player 2 enters at Lv 50, gets 100 Law 5 Eso, 300k XP.

Player 2 got more, that's unfair.

to make it fair, you should give Player 1 an XP scroll that grants 300k XP that they can use on another class.

[Garotte14]

The argument doesn't make any sense to me. It wouldn't be unfair at all because it would be the players choice. If they already have a class at 60 and would like to do a roulette to get tomes, but also do that while leveling an alt, then that's great. If they don't want to level another class, then they only get tomes. If his entire party was leveling alts and all getting exp + tomes, it's still not unsure cause that player could've done the same but chose not to. The only time it would come into effect would be if all DoW/DoM were at level cap. And by that point, who cares.

[Ranen]

Jobs lower than max level don't need tomes to lure them into roulette. They already get exp for it.

I'm not talking about low levels. I'm talking about as a person who has a max level, it shouldn't matter if we run content on that max level class or on a lower level alt, we should still get the tomes so that we can still gear our mains up even if we aren't going into that roulette on the lvl 60. Sacrificing one for the other kind of thing isn't really needed imo as the whole point of roulette was to give an incentive to run older content and for most people tomes are usually the better incentive.

As it stands High lvl roulette is pretty much useless. It gives poetics/Law and no esoterics nor does it give EXP inside the dungeons (just bonus). So as a person who may want to level may not find the roulette bonus that attractive and may just skip it, especially if they're only interested in esoterics. (like myself)

I honestly don't see an issue with allowing you to either choose between exp/tomes or giving both...but that's just me.

[Kyuuen]

you answered your own question. after the change 1 person can have both, the other person can't have both, that by definition is unfair.

Player 1 enters at Lv 60, gets 100 Law 5 Eso
Player 2 enters at Lv 50, gets 100 Law 5 Eso, 300k XP.

Player 2 got more, that's unfair.

to make it fair, you should give Player 1 an XP scroll that grants 300k XP that they can use on another class.

Well couldn't that then become an additional perk in having a level 60 character? Nothing is preventing anyone from reaching 60 and also enjoying this bonus, if it were to be added that is.

I'm not talking about low levels. I'm talking about as a person who has a max level, it shouldn't matter if we run content on that max level class or on a lower level alt, we should still get the tomes so that we can still gear our mains up even if we aren't going into that roulette on the lvl 60. Sacrificing one for the other kind of thing isn't really needed imo as the whole point of roulette was to give an incentive to run older content and for most people tomes are usually the better incentive.

As it stands High lvl roulette is pretty much useless. It gives poetics/Law and no esoterics nor does it give EXP inside the dungeons (just bonus). So as a person who may want to level may not find the roulette bonus that attractive and may just skip it, especially if they're only interested in esoterics. (like myself)

I honestly don't see an issue with allowing you to either choose between exp/tomes or giving both...but that's just me.

If I'm understanding you correctly, in that if you have a Max class on one character then you should be able to receive tomestone on a entirely separate character, that would be an imbalance. If you mean to have a Max class then simply switch to another class then to level and be rewarded for, then disregard my previous statement.

[Squrilruler]

No. This encourages different play styles. Want to level? You can do that roulette and get exp. You want tomes? Suck it up with your better gear, and help the people who are leveling. Why are people so opposed to having to make a choice?