Bard - they broke my job

[Zophar]

brd had the lowest dps , yes but in 2.0 we could dps and move while other couldnt , that closed the gap....now we cant move and dps ...

Oh my god. So tired of this line. Yes. Yes you can. You need to move, drop WM and move. Reapply when moving is done. Yes. Your dps is slightly less potent while moving, but that doesn't mean you can't do it. Mobility is virtually unaffected -if you play the job right.- This is not an opinion. It's truth.

[Aiselia]

Your dps is slightly less potent while moving, but that doesn't mean you can't do it.

And Black Mages are mobile because they have Scathe!

Sure, they're doing less damage while moving, but that doesn't mean they're not mobile!

Actually, while we're at it, what's up with these Dragoons thinking they have to be locked into melee range? They have Piercing Talon! Clearly they're far more mobile than they're acting.

And Ninjas have Throwing Dagger!

I mean, sure, it's a clear DPS loss, but that's irrelevant because they're mobile.

[Zophar]

And Black Mages are mobile because they have Scathe!

Sure, they're doing less damage while moving, but that doesn't mean they're not mobile!

Actually, while we're at it, what's up with these Dragoons thinking they have to be locked into melee range? They have Piercing Talon! Clearly they're far more mobile than they're acting.

And Ninjas have Throwing Dagger!

I mean, sure, it's a clear DPS loss, but that's irrelevant because they're mobile.

Ok, first off, absolutely nothing you said invalidated my point.

Second, are you seriously comparing the loss of maybe, 10-15% dps to the difference between fire/bliz 4 and scathe? full dps combos to melee ranged attacks? You gonna compare indigestion to aids next?

[yamochan]

Ok, first off, absolutely nothing you said invalidated my point.

well there is one thing you cant forget we cant drop the buff for 15 secs but point taken and not the real bard problem right now ^^

[Zophar]

well there is one thing you cant forget we cant drop the buff for 15 secs but point taken and not the real bard problem right now ^^

This is true, but occasions where you would need to drop the buff within 15 seconds of applying it are rare, and in those cases you're probably better off leaving it off for a little longer instead. It's all about knowing the fight and making the right choice for the right scenario. This is something a lot of people can't seem to get, or just don't want to.

[Aiselia]

Ok, first off, absolutely nothing you said invalidated my point.

Actually...

When people say they "lost their mobility", they generally mean "I lost my ability to be mobile while doing 100% of my damage".

Pre-3.0, Bards could do 100% of their damage while being mobile. That's the mobility people want back.

Saying that you're mobile as long as you do less damage is a terrible argument. People don't want mobility for the cost of doing less damage, they want the mobility in addition to doing their full damage, like they had for 2 years.

Now maybe you can stop pretending "Shut up, you're mobile if you want to be weaker" is a good argument, hm?

[Zophar]

Now maybe you can stop pretending "Shut up, you're mobile if you want to be weaker" is a good argument, hm?

I will when I see an argument I deem better.

[Aiselia]

I will when I see an argument I deem better.

Then you'll keep making terrible arguments that don't even address the person's real complaint. Which I guess is fine, if you enjoy wasting your time like that. Although since you express irritation at seeing people want their mobility back, I'd think it would actually be in your own best interests to try to come up with an argument that might stop the complaints, rather than spouting the same thing that isn't changing anybody's mind.

[Zophar]

I'd think it would actually be in your own best interests to try to come up with an argument that might stop the complaints, rather than spouting the same thing that isn't changing anybody's mind.

It's the internet. There's no such thing.

[Taban]

Actually...
When people say they "lost their mobility", they generally mean "I lost my ability to be mobile while doing 100% of my damage".

Pre-3.0, Bards could do 100% of their damage while being mobile. That's the mobility people want back.

Saying that you're mobile as long as you do less damage is a terrible argument. People don't want mobility for the cost of doing less damage, they want the mobility in addition to doing their full damage, like they had for 2 years.

Now maybe you can stop pretending "Shut up, you're mobile if you want to be weaker" is a good argument, hm?

I've used this quote before but

Players will never sacrifice performance (especially damage) for utility.

No one is going to run around with WM off while doing way less than normal dps just for the utility of movement. We may switch it off occasionally, but those situations where it's worth it to do that are few and far between.