Why are Darks considered "Parry" tanks?

[Faytte]

The parry tanking seems strange and misunderstood. Basically---

Dark Knights have access two very short cooldown abilities, both of which underperform compared to higher cd powers but can be stacked. Dark Dance for 20 seconds/1 minute cd is 30%parry and 20% dodge, dark mind for 30% mitigation to magic. That defines Dark Knight---you have 'ok' cooldowns that you can throw low cd powers onto to supplement.

Warriors have the normal set of cds and have access to reactive healing types of cds (which have normal cds) and one short but restrictive damage cd that requires some forethought (IB).

Paladins have the normal set of cds and then ontop of that, another set of normal cds which generally are very specific in what they do (or out perform the same version that other classes have). Bulwark gives twice the block of dark dance, but has less uptime and about three times the cooldown for instance.


Dark: I have fewer cds but they are up more often
War: I have cds, some require some fore thought, others happen after I take damage
Paladin: I have lots of cds, but they on average have very long cds. I have to manage when to use them.

[Disc]

Because people refuse to go with Yoshi's stance that DRK is a magic based tank. Getting back to pushing mine to 60 after finally tanking Alexander. A3 has magic only phases & A4 itself has almost no physical attacks directed at the MT. Dark Mind basically guarantees a minimum of 70% mitigation during Discoid.( Grit(20%) + Shadowskin(20%) + Dark Mind(30%) )

[Timat]

Because people refuse to go with Yoshi's stance that DRK is a magic based tank. Getting back to pushing mine to 60 after finally tanking Alexander. A3 has magic only phases & A4 itself has almost no physical attacks directed at the MT. Dark Mind basically guarantees a minimum of 70% mitigation during Discoid.( Grit(20%) + Shadowskin(20%) + Dark Mind(30%) )

Umm....you sure that is an additive stacking?

And again I am not sure I buy this "magic based tank thing that hinges completly and solely on dark mind"

Do you believe that a DRK will have a measurably easier time tanking A4 (or even just the tank buster if you want to narrow it down) than a War or Pld simply because of 1 skill?

[SpookyGhost]

Mitigation is multiplicative.

Old post about it: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...licative_what/

e: To clarify, though, Shadowskin + Shadow Wall + Dark Mind is the highest mitigation for magic damage currently (outside of Hallowed).

[stoxastic]

Umm....you sure that is an additive stacking?

And again I am not sure I buy this "magic based tank thing that hinges completly and solely on dark mind"

Do you believe that a DRK will have a measurably easier time tanking A4 (or even just the tank buster if you want to narrow it down) than a War or Pld simply because of 1 skill?

Considering you can have DA Dark Mind up for every Perpetual Ray in the last phase of A4 it's pretty potent. Also, they have Delirium which reduces INT. So technically 2 skills. In a vacuum DRK is better against magic damage than the other 2 tanks.

[Timat]

Considering you can have DA Dark Mind up for every Perpetual Ray in the last phase of A4 it's pretty potent. Also, they have Delirium which reduces INT. So technically 2 skills. In a vacuum DRK is better against magic damage than the other 2 tanks.

im not saying dark mind is bad, I am saying is that ONE skill good enough to define DRK as a magic based tank (which to me means a tank that can soak magic damage measurably easier than the others).

Also I am not counting Delirium since monks can provide the debuff as well..I am focusing on UNIQUE things that DRK brings to the table as a supposed magic based tank.

Basically if you can say swap dark mind and sentenial....would PLD suddenly become the magic based tank? If you swapped dark mind with foresight...would warrior become the new magic based tank?

When someone says this class is a magic based tank I expect it to be a bit deeper in its UNIQUE magic mitigation than one skill.

I mean...does rage of halone STR debuff alone make PLD the pyshical damage mitigation tank?

[Hundred]

Umm....you sure that is an additive stacking?

And again I am not sure I buy this "magic based tank thing that hinges completly and solely on dark mind"

Do you believe that a DRK will have a measurably easier time tanking A4 (or even just the tank buster if you want to narrow it down) than a War or Pld simply because of 1 skill?

Lol easily.

im not saying dark mind is bad, I am saying is that ONE skill good enough to define DRK as a magic based tank (which to me means a tank that can soak magic damage measurably easier than the others).

Also I am not counting Delirium since monks can provide the debuff as well..I am focusing on UNIQUE things that DRK brings to the table as a supposed magic based tank.

Basically if you can say swap dark mind and sentenial....would PLD suddenly become the magic based tank? If you swapped dark mind with foresight...would warrior become the new magic based tank?

When someone says this class is a magic based tank I expect it to be a bit deeper in its UNIQUE magic mitigation than one skill.

I mean...does rage of halone STR debuff alone make PLD the pyshical damage mitigation tank?

What are you doing with this stupid argument.
Block physical mitigation only, Sheltron 100% block 1 hit -physical mitigation only, Str down - Physical hits only, Bulwark increases block which is again physical only. Rampart/ matched by stone skin. Sentinel? A more effective Shadow Skin. Cover? Physical only

What leads PLD to any significance over its peers with magical damage.
Nothing. Everyone is relative to each other. Relative to the other two tanks, PLD has a physical advantage thats all there is to it, it is the physically dominant tank as the Drk is the magically dominant tank. How long will you continue an arbitrary discussion of "well its 1 ability or its 2 abilities, its not 3 abilities or its not 4 abilities so its not magical, its purple".
Come on.

[Timat]

Lol easily.

Really? Cause ive seen PLD and WARs have no issue tanking A4. Some of which keep their HP at higher levels on average than most DRKs.

Ive tanked A4 as a DRK and I have DPSed it and seen it tanked (MT and OT) with all 3 tanks......none of which look to have any significant more difficulty tank it than the other.

[Hundred]

Who said it was hard to do it as either? Ive tanked it as both WAR and DRK. Its not a problem either way, but Drk handles a4 easily. I pop the same cooldown, rinse and repeat stack another. I take less damage then my Warrior, its no biggie because the content allows you to do it with any comp but lol its easier on my Drk.


Why does this forum argue the most arbitrary crap?

[Trespar]

Hundred is the hero we needed in this thread.

In a game like this, you can't have specialized roles in tanking, because then MagicTank can't tank physical encounters because physical encounters would be balanced for PhysicalTank and vice versa.
What you get is an edge, to make it slightly easier. Nothing more, and nothing less.

And that's why you only get one or two abilities.
Or in the PLDs's case, 4.

But then half of those four are also worthless against magical fights. Usually, Dark Mind and Delirium have at least some use in a physical fight, because there's usually an unavoidable AoE that deals magic damage.