As a male gamer, thank you for not oversexualizing every female NPC

[Kosmos992k]

It's pretty darn annoying whenever men have actual armor and girl's have metal bikinis in fantasy settings, heck it's pretty darn tasteless 9/10 times. I get very tired of people who act like NPCs and PCs with gear made by people in the real world act like there isn't some kind of either just boring or (at least a bit) demeaning factor (while the men NPCs/PCs more often than not are dressed much more sensibly or at least in an outfit meant for sex appeal) that factors into it.

Um, in case you haven't noticed, and apparently you haven't, there are male equivalents to the bikini armor that amount to little more than a metallic loincloth and cod piece. Seriously, are you honestly saying that skimpy armor is the preserve of females in this game? What I find demeaning is that you are making this fuss about female NPCs & PCs and acting as if males have no subligars or open chest shirts, or completely shirtless options. I find that demeaning because you are making a distinction between male and female that is not there, you are creating the distinction specifically to cover females. Just as you are one of those making a distinction between what you consider correct and incorrect in terms of dress for NPCs and/or PCs in a game.

Actually, plenty of adventurers could do our jobs, with the exception of fighting Ascians and primals which we can do because of Hydaelyn's blessing and the Echo.

Seriously? You're trying to argue out of suspending disbelief in a game that features magic users able to withstand primal attacks wearing cloth? The point I was making was that the look or bulk of the armor is entirely visual based on the armor sets that players of all genders can use. The Rainbow gear set for tanks is made of nothing but fabric, and yet it's supposed to be more protective against physical attack than the all metal plate and hauberk sets that preceded it? That's the point, the armor sets themselves show that the bulk, material and/or coverage of the armor our characters wear is not related to the protection it provides.

If the "bikini armor" is completely reasonable, why on earth do we see only girl PCs being made to wear it in games? Fact of the matter is in most fantasy settings men get either actual armor (Or armor made massively bulky for the aesthetic of "protective armor"), while girls get "armor" that's told to work just because of "magic" or whatever. If you create a fantasy setting where the women are all wearing "battle bikinis" then why on earth aren't the men doing the same, in fact why aren't the girls wearing actual armor while the men are? That's the immersion breaking qualities people talk about.

Who exactly is it that is making female PCs wear bikini armor in this game? For that matter who is preventing male characters from wearing the same set? It's player choice, the only 'bikini' armor set is completely optional. Oh, and let's not ignore or forget that males have the SAME choice. Perhaps you should stop arguing points that haven't been made. I haven't suggested, nor has anyone else, that FFXIV should be a fantasy setting were female NPCs and PCs alike are all wearing "battle bikinis"; that my friend is a construct of your mind.

I mean, I suppose, but it's not even that Garuda and Shiva are "moe" they're just kinda designed with "sex appeal" in mind. I can kinda get it with Shiva, but Garuda's appeared in lots of different ways..

Not sure where you or Zyrusticae are getting your definition of "moe", but based on your statements here, you have the wrong definition. Neither primal could be described as "moe", they do not fit the archetype at all.

[FrejyaAthenes]

Way I see it, it's all about context. I've always wanted to have a beachwear glamourset for my character whenever I do Hullbreaker or Sastasha (maybe Brayflox), and when Gold Saucer came out I always made sure to pu on my Best Man's Suit whenever I entered. But I wouldn't want to fight say, Nidhogg or King Thordan, alongside people in Chocobo/Moogle costumes and the civilianwear is a grey area for me.

[Talia_Hailwind]

I think the designs are fine the way they are. I see people running around in bikinis and I also see people running around in full covering armor. There's something for everyone.

To be honest, this is really a non-issue.

I'm still waiting for a V neck/open robe......

Female:

(Edea FF8)

Male:

(Seymour FF10)

Why has this not been done yet!?
This isn't a skin issue because there are bikinis in the game which are much more revealing,
so why have these designs not been added when they are in past final fantasy games!?

The funny thing is Seymours robes looks just like an orthodox robe from the new aery dungeon except his is open chested and a little opened up at the bottom front.

Same sleeves, Same robe length that touches the floor, even the same collar.

I swear if they added an orthodox robe with a V neck, it would be the most wanted mage glamor in the game because no, there is not a good variety of glamor choices at all!!!




I made that perfectly clear when I called them out on all the re-skins they made in the expansion right here:

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I'm sorry, but it really annoys me when people say the glamors in this game have a good choice when they really don't for certain races, genders and classes.
The game tries to act like it promotes equality and it fails at just that IMO.

[Zyrusticae]

I'm sorry, but it really annoys me when people say the glamors in this game have a good choice when they really don't for certain races, genders and classes.
The game tries to act like it promotes equality and it fails at just that IMO.

It promotes gender equality. Player job equality is another matter entirely. Yes, that is an issue, but I feel that is an issue that deserves its own thread rather than hijacking this one. This thread is about how respectful the game is in terms of gender equality and representation of NPCs with regards to clothing and armor, not whether or not there are enough pretty glamours for every job in the game (or whether or not the glamour system should be so darned restrictive, for that matter).

Um, in case you haven't noticed, and apparently you haven't, there are male equivalents to the bikini armor that amount to little more than a metallic loincloth and cod piece. Seriously, are you honestly saying that skimpy armor is the preserve of females in this game? What I find demeaning is that you are making this fuss about female NPCs & PCs and acting as if males have no subligars or open chest shirts, or completely shirtless options. I find that demeaning because you are making a distinction between male and female that is not there, you are creating the distinction specifically to cover females. Just as you are one of those making a distinction between what you consider correct and incorrect in terms of dress for NPCs and/or PCs in a game.

Where you're confused is that Samcaesar is talking about other games. You are absolutely right that FFXIV does pretty well in this regard. That's what the whole bloody thread is about, after all.

That being said, it's still not entirely equal thanks to some outfits still being gender-locked, but that's a topic that has its own thread already (for good reason, IMO).

Seriously? You're trying to argue out of suspending disbelief in a game that features magic users able to withstand primal attacks wearing cloth? The point I was making was that the look or bulk of the armor is entirely visual based on the armor sets that players of all genders can use. The Rainbow gear set for tanks is made of nothing but fabric, and yet it's supposed to be more protective against physical attack than the all metal plate and hauberk sets that preceded it? That's the point, the armor sets themselves show that the bulk, material and/or coverage of the armor our characters wear is not related to the protection it provides.

Yes, absolutely. There's a number of armor sets that just don't follow the rules of protectivity that govern real-world armor, and that's fine. The thing is, we as players have the option of wearing or not wearing that armor, and that is also fine. On the flip side, NPCs don't make choices; their choices are made for them by the creators, so it's always nice when NPCs are treated with respect and given some level of thought, such that it actually feels plausible that they would have some level of personal autonomy.

Who exactly is it that is making female PCs wear bikini armor in this game? For that matter who is preventing male characters from wearing the same set? It's player choice, the only 'bikini' armor set is completely optional. Oh, and let's not ignore or forget that males have the SAME choice. Perhaps you should stop arguing points that haven't been made. I haven't suggested, nor has anyone else, that FFXIV should be a fantasy setting were female NPCs and PCs alike are all wearing "battle bikinis"; that my friend is a construct of your mind.

lol.

Again, Samcaesar is talking about other games. I thought that was obvious. How could you make such a basic reading comprehension mistake? I think you were blinded by emotion when you made this post. I think you need to re-read his/her post with this in mind.

Not sure where you or Zyrusticae are getting your definition of "moe", but based on your statements here, you have the wrong definition. Neither primal could be described as "moe", they do not fit the archetype at all.

That's.... that's what Samcaesar said, yes.

But what you both missed is that I was talking about the moe craze as a factor in greater female character design, not that it was the reason for Shiva and Garuda to be depicted as they are. The moe craze is a symptom of greater issues with female representation in Japan, so it's never surprising when it creeps into female character design elements. That being said, I retract that statement as it is obvious that Shiva and Garuda are just generically sexy for the hell of it, rather than anything to do with the moe culture that has take over so much of the anime and video game industry in Japan.

[TessaJalloh]

To this whole tired topic.



People can wear, whatever the heck they want, and be whatever the heck they want, and do whatever the heck they want, in their magic techno fantasy JRPG.
Seriously, who cares?

[WubstahWulf]

When I see a female character with generic bikini or skippy armor glamour I just assume its a guy
Since the reason why they dont like to play a a male char is mostly "huh I dont want to look at the behinds of a man the intire time"
And girls mostly have like properly glamoured gear with nice style looking sexy and not nude at the same time.

[odintius]

I would like the equality to turn off other people's glamour choices and just look at my own make it happen >.>

[R-Kine]

Is there a rule that says that any thread about women/females has to be an unbearable mess?

[Darki]

As a male gamer...



...that is all.

[Magis]

To this whole tired topic.



People can wear, whatever the heck they want, and be whatever the heck they want, and do whatever the heck they want, in their magic techno fantasy JRPG.
Seriously, who cares?

People who need to low effort pat their own back and seek attention proclaiming how progressive they are. Bonus points that *shock* op is male (like anyone cares what gender you are).