When would you take DRK over PLD or WAR?

[RiisWolf]

A DRK friend mildly better geared than me said he can put out more damage than me, the WAR. I promptly replied with three Fel Cleaves in one berserk.

[Adrasteia]

A DRK friend mildly better geared than me said he can put out more damage than me, the WAR. I promptly replied with three Fel Cleaves in one berserk.

DRK can currently outdamage Warriors when MTing, but not while OTing.

[ArdorGrey]

DRK can currently outdamage Warriors when MTing, but not while OTing.

Is this a confirmed thing? Can't help but be somewhat skeptical.

[Adrasteia]

Is this a confirmed thing? Can't help but be somewhat skeptical.

Most of Warrior's "big DPS" numbers come from Fell Cleave, which is dangerous to try and use while MTing (except in specific circumstances, like during Liberation), whereas Dark Knight has no such restrictions and can parse similarly high to Warriors without Grit (910 is the highest I've seen, versus about 1000 for Warrior). The issue is mostly sustainability: Warriors can keep going indefinitely, while Dark Knights and Paladins will both run out of TP at about 2:20 of continuous ability use.

[SpookyGhost]

Is this a confirmed thing? Can't help but be somewhat skeptical.

Kinda doubt it, would love to see some actual numbers instead of "well, theoretically..."

[Shikiseki]

Based on Alex DFing as Healer... PLD seemed the savest to heal, WAR was the most interesting (demn deployed critloquiums :> ) and DRK was something in between (with one DRK that was so squishy that any dps would have been easier to keep alive - was decent the time he switched to his full VIT accessories *cough*).

I think I'd take a PLD no matter what with a slight bias to get a WAR as second tank...

[Xenosan]

Yea there's so many factors to consider when it comes to comparing tank DPS - just what instance you're rolling makes a difference..

Really so far we can only just provide anecdotes. So here's one:

Ran the Vault as DRG. Others were WAR, SMN, WHM.

That WAR out dps'd the SMN almost everywhere - trash mobs and bosses. There was only 1 boss where the SMN beat the WAR. It wasn't like the SMN was bad. It was a 20min run - very fast. So DPS was solid from everyone - but that WAR was clearly bringing a level of pain I couldn't replicate as a DRK - or WAR - for that matter. His damage contributions were making a significant impact on the speed of the run. Wish I had it on video record or had the chance to requeue with him to analyze it more

[Bustaperizm]

I believe yoshi p stated the dpsing of war and drk are on par. I personally believe war has more burst which is favorable on parsers.

[Kiteless]

If WAR has more burst, then what the hell does DRK have? Because it's certainly not sustained DPS, we don't have the TP management for that.

[Giantbane]

Most of Warrior's "big DPS" numbers come from Fell Cleave, which is dangerous to try and use while MTing (except in specific circumstances, like during Liberation), whereas Dark Knight has no such restrictions and can parse similarly high to Warriors without Grit (910 is the highest I've seen, versus about 1000 for Warrior). The issue is mostly sustainability: Warriors can keep going indefinitely, while Dark Knights and Paladins will both run out of TP at about 2:20 of continuous ability use.

War also has unchained while tanking, which is pretty huge burst when paired with berserk and inner release.

My *guess* is that the DRK will pull ahead while tanking. DRK have a slight natural advantage in tank stance (DRK does 92% damage in grit+darkside, WAR does 90% damage in defiance+maim), DRK base attack potency is stronger and DRK has numerous oGCD attacks. I don't see how WAR can keep up without constantly stance dancing and excessive fel cleave usage. This, of course, would cut greatly into their mitigation. Granted, this is all guess work, would need some better evaluation and parses to be sure.

But TP is a massive issue. I run out of TP MTing ramuh normal :/

Also constantly run out in alexander 4 unless I pick up one of the adds with unleash/unmend/abyssal drain.