You can look WM and BRD from this perspective.

[ThanMazus]

Saying that in my opinion BRD has been given a degree of complexity that makes it more interesting in 3.0 is insulting now?

I guess I'll say it again? I wasn't talking to you, about you, or about your thread.

[Atmora]

Not spreading misinformation, single target wise it was exactly as I described (which is BRD in 90% of the relevant scenarios). For trash pulls (and the rarely bunch of mobs from certain coil turns), it was as hard as spamming wide volley with the occasional rain of death. Counting Ballad, Paeon and Foe as GCD skills from a BRD's actual rotation? Might as well say that protect is part of a WHM's rotation.

I mean you're ignoring 10/14ths of the rotation, you had to use all your OGCds at very specific times to get good dps.

[Mhikail]

I guess I'll say it again? I wasn't talking to you, about you, or about your thread.

Then why are you even posting?
This Bard crap is starting to get annoying.
Is it really that bad?
Are you guys missing DPS or you're pissed off because of the mobility issue or is it something else.
I don't even know what's going on anymore.

Bards are now just bow-mages. They aren't Bards anymore.[/B]

They can support us still.
Still sounds bard to me!

[ThanMazus]

I was quoting this post:

...I must ask where does this logic come from? What type of critical thinking skills that you must have, to come to this conclusion? It was "easy" so there was no play style. I guess if you feel this way, I can understand why you feel it requires a lot of thinking needed to use wm.

Which was addressing a post insulting bard players. You see how this posts asks a question? My post was answering THIS QUESTION. I wasn't saying the THREAD was insulting, that the OP was insulting, or anything negative about the thread or the OP.

Do you both understand now?

[Melinabean0]

...I must ask where does this logic come from? What type of critical thinking skills that you must have, to come to this conclusion? It was "easy" so there was no play style. I guess if you feel this way, I can understand why you feel it requires a lot of thinking needed to use wm.

It was easy. I am pretty bored now when doing old dungeons without the new skills, to be honest. That's not to say Bard didn't have a particular "play style," but that obviously differs between people. It doesn't require a lot of thinking to use WM, but it is situational and you do need to think about the best situations to use it in, much like the old songs. Except you don't have to choose between buffing yourself or helping the party since it consumes no MP. Which is awesome, since I also like the support aspect of the Job. It's not difficult by any means, but I find it gives a little something extra. I love it. I see it as an addition rather than a completely new play style, since in most cases you really shouldn't have it on the whole time.

On another note, you are extremely rude and usually quite selfish. I don't care if you've had encounters with some bad apples and feel like it's warranted and okay to act like that towards people that have differing views. It's not. You're not the only one though, and it doesn't help sway anyone's opinions towards your own. Though, I suppose you guys only care about the devs attention anyways.

This bad behavior you other Bards are exhibiting is disappointing. Guess it's a good thing you don't care about the opinion of others...

[Verius_Nox]

Bards are now just bow-mages. They aren't Bards anymore.

I didn't realize having a 1.5s charge up on your shot makes you a mage.

[Wavaryen]

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I will try to explain this as best as I can. All of this is Subjective, just like this post.

The developers have stated at one point bards are a mobile dps class, when asked are they support dps. Now the developers are saying they are a support dps.

Bards take a dps slot, and I don't mind the support role of the class. I however, question if the tools we have add good support game play. A lot of players were hoping for new support songs, and keeping the core of the class the same. When we only got one supportish skill. (and from our testing, it seems like it does not work on many of the mobs.) and a caster stance.
This lacks all common sense from a game design stand point in my eyes. For one, It changes the play style of a class that people enjoy. Two, Instead of adding new songs, and making bards have more options adding skill needed to manage mp. We got this.

[Mhikail]

Two, Instead of adding new songs, and making bards have more options adding skill needed to manage mp. We got this.

Blame the community.
I'll tell you what happened and I got pissed on but is literally what happened.

People fussed and pitched a fit and most of the time, didn't even sing.
SE tried to make a hybrid and it's cool but then again...they could of made
Bard a healer.
Ranger a physical DPS.
So the community asked to be more DPS oriented.
It's not SE's fault, it's the communities.
Peopled asked for this, we got some half-baked thing and well...that's what you get.
I'm more upset because we didn't get ANY good support songs...I'm incredibly disappointed. This is why I hung my bow up.
They could of done this instead. My best suggestion was to let bard continue to be the mobile/dps/support from 2.0
and the Machinist take the place of PURE physical range DPS. Everyone wins. Nope, SE tried to make Bard's happy but
they can't make them be mobile/dps/support all in one go. Something had to take a hit.
They need to remove all this crap, give Bard's the mobility then back, and throw in some songs and a few DPS skills
and let Machinst take the lead of Physical DPS. Was a simple fix for those who wanted to be a range DPS.

[Wavaryen]

snip.

Rude? Really? I am sorry I don't sugar coat my words. I don't mind if people want to debate, but it is hard to do that, when people use personal views as a state of fact about the class. I also know that my own outlook on bards, and what I feel they are is nothing but my own outlook of it. I don't try to force others to feel the same way. When people come in and say, "Bard was easy, It took no skill, and wm requires thinking." With out giving more details on why they feel like that. I must call them out. They did not try to debate, they did not try to explain their point of views. They came in and made a statement like it was a fact.

[Wavaryen]

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That could also be the part of the developers as well. When they say one thing, and the design choices they make does not follow up with what they said the class was. The bard community is still confused at what it really is to a group.