We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Aiselia]

That's all you got.

That's all you're worth.

Besides the very initial part of the animation, which is a front flip drop kick, nearly everything else has the potential for momentum to allow them to move in nearly any direction.

Momentum =/= ability to move in random directions.

A car with forward momentum isn't going to suddenly be able to drive in reverse at the same speed.

That time in the animation where they're not even on the ground? Yeah, it'd be really tough to maintain the force of their kick AND somehow manage to repeatedly shift directions they're moving.

Kind of like how when you jump, even in the game, you can't randomly change directions mid-jump.

[Viviza]

All this complaining is nice, but you know they're not going to completely revert a new mechanic they've introduced.

[ChazNatlo]

All this complaining is nice, but you know they're not going to completely revert a new mechanic they've introduced.

It would be nice if the conversation drifted from "Our class is ruined!" and "They changed it and I am uncomfortable with this." and "You don't get it, you're not a Bard." to thoughts of how to fix it within the framework of "seriously, they aren't getting rid of Wanderers, they want to you be stuck in place from time to time." Since the lack of mobility ISN'T the problem, WM is fine by it's self, isn't it? The issue is how it interacts with Bards other actions. Are there changes to these other actions that could make the class mesh better? Would it be better if Wanderer's rooted you in place via a status ((A non curable bind, for instance)) and lost the casting timer?

Edit: Also, the comparisons to the other classes need to stop unless the comparison only makes the class harder to play, not Kneecap the DPS. Jump does pitiful damage unless you are exactly where you shouldn't be?

[Aiselia]

Would it be better if Wanderer's rooted you in place

No, because that would make perfect stance dancing necessary for basic survival and be harder than any class to avoid things, in which case I'd expect top DPS for sure.

There's been plenty of suggestions in several different threads about how to make it better than it is now if they want to limit mobility.

For one, why does the cast time need to be 1.5 sec? A .5 sec cast time prevents you from running while shooting just as much, and would line up better with attack animations and OGCDs.
Another, why have cast times? Why not just remove it when you move and you have to put it back on when you stop? (This is honestly what I thought it was going to be from initial announcements)

At the worst, the only thing those "ruin" is the use of Repelling Shot because of its necessary mobility, but that would be outweighed easily by the extra damage.

[LeafElksthorne]

Cryptic, I'll give you that.

I think we know what it is though. It's a big FU from SE to all BRDs who enjoyed the play style of BRD.

[LeafElksthorne]

haha. I started another thread bringing up the very valid point that:

We paid for this game expecting something we've had for 2 years. It's not just "this sucks I don't like this ability" it is literally, BRDs who have been playing this for 2 years gave real money for a job they never wanted... it was a bait and switch and I feel ripped off.

lol and it was deleted by SE.

[Sen_Terrechant]

haha. I started another thread bringing up the very valid point that:

We paid for this game expecting something we've had for 2 years. It's not just "this sucks I don't like this ability" it is literally, BRDs who have been playing this for 2 years gave real money for a job they never wanted... it was a bait and switch and I feel ripped off.

lol and it was deleted by SE.

It was a terrible thread with a terrible analogy that didnt fit the current situation at all. Sooo ya know, kinda deserved to be deleted.

[SovereignAegis]

haha. I started another thread bringing up the very valid point that:

We paid for this game expecting something we've had for 2 years. It's not just "this sucks I don't like this ability" it is literally, BRDs who have been playing this for 2 years gave real money for a job they never wanted... it was a bait and switch and I feel ripped off.

lol and it was deleted by SE.

I was replying to that other person who stated every class had "huge changes" and that Bard's are just whiners.

I want to put it in this very thread because a lot of people seem confused on Bard's change and think it is trivial... IT IS NOT A TRIVIAL CHANGE, IT'S HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So they changed your class? Newsflash. Many classes got big changes.

DRG is now the class effed most by positionals. SMN now has stacks to watch out for, and it plays much different then before because of it. WAR is now basically another DPS class. WHM is expected to DPS more, and SCH is expected to DPS less. No they didnt gut your class, no they didnt change it so completely its basically a BLM (Seriously, 1.5 second casts is unplayable for you guys? Sorry you can run around like a headless chicken for no reason now)

The only thing here is that you BRDs seem incapable of responding to changes in playstyle.


They didnt make a mistake, they gave you a meaningful choice. You can toggle on/off WM MUCH LIKE CLERIC STANCE. I really dont see why you all dont understand that, you arent gimped, you are stronger then before. They added more mechanics to your class that you have to balance, like they did with everyone.

Deal. With. It.

Those changes are extremely minor compared to the dramatic change Bard got.

-WAR still is a phenomenal tank, they are not a DPS class at all. They are a high performing tank that does a massive amount of damage, their role didn't change whatsoever in the slightest. If anything they became THE most lucrative tank of them all to have in a well-known / familiar environment.

-WHM is NOT expected to DPS more, SCH is NOT expected to DPS less- I have absolutely no idea where you got this from. I main SCH and so this line in particular is irksome- the day someone tells me to DPS less is the day I leave that party/static. Mana management is still superb, DoT potency + broil spam is still superb, fairy still offsets heal with virus + eye for an eye and shields. I abhorrently disagree with this.

-Furthermore WHM DPS more? At present their mana problems in most fights are awful, and spamming stone and their new aero is a horrendous idea in long fights. Does stone 3 improve their damage output? Yes. But any WHM who contributed to DPS before at certain select parts can/knows when to now. Nothing changed for that.

-SMN Stacks are a joke to watch out for, I am also a fully i179 SMN and have taken it numerous times to Ravana. It's basically just a compliment to their rotation and is far from a staggering change- if anything it is widely agreed that it was a substantial buff that put them in a strong state. Not a massive playstyle change, spamming ruin 2 now is sometimes interjected by spamming ruin 3 for 12 seconds then bahamut-bombing the enemy- ruin 2 can still be cast at the same time.

[enil]

It was a terrible thread with a terrible analogy that didnt fit the current situation at all. Sooo ya know, kinda deserved to be deleted.

Also had some terrible hyperbole (2% of bards?, no-one at SE ever played the job?), and some inappropriate language...

[Grimm08]

"Dramatic Change"

You have a cast time added Only while in WM as well as no auto attacks? But your abilities are given a 30% Damage Boost and it can be toggled off and on now without any kind of cast time? Unless you're outright dodging mechanics, what use is there to move?

I agree for the most part with Sen, the change was an addition to make the job better, which it did. Just because it's not what you wanted, it's not bad.

A small note on another thing that was said on WHM "At present their mana problems in most fights are awful" No. They're not. If your WHM is having mana problems while DPSing, they are subpar at best. Mana management comes with a mage class (except BLM in the same regard). If you can't manage your mana while healing and DPSing, you shouldn't be playing that class.