The Paladins lack of an AOE Emnity attack.

[InfiniDragon]

My personal opinion after playing all three tank roles is that as PLD has the highest mitigation of the tanks and comparable single target DPS, so they shouldn't also get AOE damage on top of it. People already automatically assume MT roles for PLD in a lot of situations, I think they're fine where they are.

If AOE enmity is truly an issue at 60 for PLD (I can't speak with experience at 60 because I leveled DRK to max first), then adjust the enmity that Flash puts out even further than their original adjustment and tie it to the Enhanced Flash trait. That way WAR and DRK doesn't get it (not that DRK uses Flash) and PLD doesn't get damage AOEs making them the best tank for all situations (which they shouldn't be).

[Dante_V]

Never had any AOE enmity issues with pally honestly. Saying you can't take hate from a warrior without provoke is kind of a moot point considering the entire point of provoke is to take hate from other players and you have to arbitrarily ignore using it to make the point.

[Myric]

No issues at 60 with aoe enmity as a paladin. The exception of course is dps that want to blow everything away before I have it gathered or if I forget to check to see if a regen is on me before I pull.

[Wintersandman]

Do you guys ever think you are being trolled? Said poster has a level 1 archer and..... a level 1 archer.

[ArcticFang]

They didn't scale flash with level from 50-60 btw. Equip a 50 weapon as a level 60 paladin, bring a level 50 tank to the training dummy with the same ilvl weapon, both of you flash. The level 60 will be 1 autoattack ahead. Literally one autoattack (from a level 50) ahead.

Equipping a hive sword (i190) vs a dreadwyrm sword (i135) only puts me about 30% ahead of the level 50 paladin. He steals hate after the second flash. Furthermore, unlike WAR/DRK, our AOE enmity generation does not scale off of STR or cooldowns.

Putting in a bug report. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...35#post3125335

(Edit: I'm aware that Paladins are not intended to scale off of STR or cooldowns. I'm simply making a point that we have nothing to contest the massive stat inflation from level 50-60).

[Wintersandman]

Equipping a hive sword (i190) vs a dreadwyrm sword (i135) only puts me about 30% ahead of the level 50 paladin. He steals hate after the second flash. Furthermore, unlike WAR/DRK, our AOE enmity generation does not scale off of STR or cooldowns.

This has to be incorrect. By upgrading from i145 to i180 weapon my threat issues vaporized. I was having to constantly RoH both enemies during split dps but now with the new i180 sword I actually am able to RA in between and keep GB up.

[Myric]

They didn't scale flash with level from 50-60 btw. Equip a 50 weapon as a level 60 paladin, bring a level 50 tank to the training dummy with the same ilvl weapon, both of you flash. The level 60 will be 1 autoattack ahead. Literally one autoattack (from a level 50) ahead.

Equipping a hive sword (i190) vs a dreadwyrm sword (i135) only puts me about 30% ahead of the level 50 paladin. He steals hate after the second flash. Furthermore, unlike WAR/DRK, our AOE enmity generation does not scale off of STR or cooldowns.

Putting in a bug report. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...35#post3125335

(Edit: I'm aware that Paladins are not intended to scale off of STR or cooldowns. I'm simply making a point that we have nothing to contest the massive stat inflation from level 50-60).

flash does scale off of str tho

[Syfer22]

There is no such thing as "being ineffective with threat". Threat is binary. You either have it, or you don't. So long as your pld is not 30 ilvls below the dps, they shouldn't be struggling to hold threat on single or multiple targets, so long as they are playing correctly. They may not be getting as big of threat leads as a war does, but threat gaps are irrelevant so long as you have it and can keep it while doing what you would normally do as a tank. Which pld do.

I read through the entire thread, but this is definitely something I can agree with that a feel a fair amount of tanks don't quite understand.

You won't spend your entire fight doing your emnity combo -- You're missing out on damage you could be doing if you're a full bar ahead of the next guy and still going.

As DRK, I sometimes have issues with holding aggro on mobs if DPS are attacking a different mob than the one I'm on. To fix that, half the time I start a fight and I look for whichever mob is going down the fastest and focus on that, letting DPS dictate which one they want to kill first -- If they're not going to listen to me anyway, I might as well just go with the flow.

[Niurok]

I think some dps don't care they just balls to the wall threat and expect the tank to out threat them from the get go. Not all tanks can buff up and all that like the war...sometimes I think I got to go old skool and start marking mobs.

[Syfer22]

I think some dps don't care they just balls to the wall threat and expect the tank to out threat them from the get go. Not all tanks can buff up and all that like the war...sometimes I think I got to go old skool and start marking mobs.

Tried that. Sometimes they follow, sometimes they don't.

DPS will attack whatever DPS wants to attack, mark or no mark, LOL