I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Clarkamite]

Today after running some Rav Ex the bard in my static said something about how WM was completely useless in that fight. I made sure to tell him he can't complain about cast times. Plenty of opportunity to learn where to go turret mode. If BLM's can do it with near 3 second cast times, BRD's can do it with that super fast "cast time." Not saying you have to like anything about the way it plays just saying you can't really say much about a cast time killing your DPS if BLM can have twice as long of cast and still be fine.

Not to mention, isn't it really easy to just turn it on when you know you're going to sit there and nuke and then back off when you're going to be running around a lot?

[Vespar]

Exactly my point, people have taken this playstyle preference and used my argument as a "learn2play" issue or a "min/max dps" issue... when that's FAR from the case. Fact is, Square gave us a class and then completely changed its playstyle... that's not fair.

I agree, there are countless bards out there who liked the 2.X Vanilla bard and never wanted to play a caster. Myself included. It's not about the dps, and its not that many of us dont understand how to play a caster (ie the L2P fallacy). It's the fact that our playstyle didn't "evolve", it was flat-out changed entirely. In the view of the majority of bard posts I have read over the last few weeks, most bards feel their original playstyle was ripped out from under them w/o any warning.

At any rate, the folks in here refuse to see our reasoning and spit off claims that we shouldn't be allowed to be mobile. Bards were always mobile and yet in 2.X I barely heard a peep from anyone on the forums expressing displeasure that we were mobile. In fact, back then everyone seemed to enjoy the fact that Bard was mobile. It drew many to the role and became part of Bard's fun factor. Now that we have this stigma on our mobility, it feels like a good chunk of folks just came here to belittle us even further just to make themselves feel good. Whether or not that's there intent or that they dont want to see us changed, because it will make their class feel more inferior I can't rightly say....

Personally, I don't think I can main this new Bard with the changes they have made to it. While Im fine with playing a caster class, this isnt the bard I signed up for, nor is it the class I grew to love. If SE refuses to change us back to something more akin to 2.X Bard I will likely pick a new class.

[Kaedan94]

Got my BRD to 60 and tried out a few roulettes last night... I'm failing to see the problem people are having.

We are nowhere near like a BLM. Our "cast time" is incredibly short. We are trading 30% (that's HUGE) damage bonus for having to stand still for a less than 2 seconds.

Lots of whining for not logical reason, as far as I can see.


EDIT: Btw, BRD did actually start off as a hybrid caster, even though the comparison to BLMs is ridiculous at best.

[nuyu11]

I can totally agree/understand MCH having this mechanic but I don't understand how Bard can go from YEARS of playing the same way to now suddenly being forced to be a bow-mage.

It isn't right, it feels COMPLETELY wrong. If I wanted to play BLM I WOULD HAVE PLAYED BLM.

This is what I'm really feel right now... I wish we can move while casting

[Vespar]

EDIT: Btw, BRD did actually start off as a hybrid caster, even though the comparison to BLMs is ridiculous at best.

From 1.X, 2.0 into 3.0 I played bard, and Bard has never "casted" anything except Foe, Mage's Ballad and swiftsong. Not sure where u got the idea that they were hybrid casters. Their attacks have always been instant like every other physical damage DPS. Until now...

Also, you are among the small percent of bards who doesnt mind WM. While that's not a bad thing, please try to understand the reasoning why the rest of us are upset.

[the-kuponut]

I'm a white mage and IMO WM is ridiculous for a physical damage job.
I can only imagine how hard it is for bards
SE should remove WM because it turns BRD into a caster, a DoM with a bow.
Bard is a physical damage job. It's not a mage, I don't understand why SE chose to add cast times instead of something useful like adding more songs for buffs.

The other thing that I don't understand is why the people playing BLMs/Casters/anything that's not a bard are saying that WM is a good thing.
Why ? Why do you want to decide how bards should play if you're not a bard ? It doesn't affect you so why are you defending WM ? I .. I just don't understand.

[Shurrikhan]

I agree, there are countless bards out there who liked the 2.X Vanilla bard and never wanted to play a caster. Myself included. It's not about the dps, and its not that many of us dont understand how to play a caster (ie the L2P fallacy). It's the fact that our playstyle didn't "evolve".

This. Just as there's a difference between an enjoyable progression of a movie's plot and a cheap twist (or falling into preexisting tropes, cliches, etc.), I feel like we got the latter.

And this is, again, coming from someone who prefers WM over non-WM. Doesn't really have anything to do with that alone, but more of how we (or even "what") got here. It could have been better.

...just really getting annoyed that people take 'massive buff' as not what it always ends up to be after balancing, a cutting of options. The most powerful choice will always end up in line, according to job parameters, with every other 'most powerful choice'. The only issue is when there used to be, say, 3 of them, and now there's just the one.

[Mhikail]

I still say: keep bard the way it was in 2.0 with more support abilities and some DPS abilities.
Have MCH have this stance dance BS and let them be the more DPS thing.

Bard: Support DPS.
Machinist: Pure Physical Range DPS.

Wouldn't this make people a bit happier?

[Vespar]

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I agree, While I can use WM and effectively I might add, I very much dislike it. It feels cheap and not thought out in the least. It makes me not want to play Bard anymore. Which is upsetting because I loved maining Bard.
It feels like the devs didnt have the time to really consider how to shape Bard into something and so they just gave it the same stuff as the Machinist abilities and called it a day. (or vice versa) Now neither class feels unique and the mobility that we came to know and love has been tossed to the wind.

I still say: keep bard the way it was in 2.0 with more support abilities and some DPS abilities.
Have MCH have this stance dance BS and let them be the more DPS thing.

Bard: Support DPS.
Machinist: Pure Physical Range DPS.

Wouldn't this make people a bit happier?

At the very least it may add some class uniqueness.

[nuyu11]

Why don't make WM as a party dmg buff and let us have the rest new abilities like old bard style... Instant cast.
From my perspective WM only give burst but less dps due to casting time and no auto attack.