I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Gallus]

That's not completely true. Unless they've changed it, fairies aren't affected while under Clerics and you have Benediction and Lustrate under critical moments, yes?

Benediction is on a 5 minute CD and lustrate is no longer effective under cleric. Relying on a fairy on intensive healing phases is commiting suicidal. If you mess up switching to cleric when you really don't have to, you can perfectly wipe your entire party. We can hardly say the same thing about BRD and minuette.

[Lewtskie]

Benediction is on a 5 minute CD and lustrate is no longer effective under cleric. Relying on a fairy on intensive healing phases is commiting suicidal. If you mess up switching to cleric when you really don't have to, you can perfectly wipe your entire party. We can hardly say the same thing about BRD and minuette.

I don't understand why you would pop Clerics anywhere near a healing intensive phase. And the fairy's buff easily evens out the load with the other healer until you can switch back out, and I'm sure Lustrate followed by a quick Adlo is sufficient as well. Bene you obviously want to save for shit moments, unless you like popping it just because.

[Gallus]

I don't understand why you would pop Clerics anywhere near a healing intensive phase. And the fairy's buff easily evens out the load with the other healer until you can switch back out, and I'm sure Lustrate followed by a quick Adlo is sufficient as well. Bene you obviously want to save for shit moments, unless you like popping it just because.

I don't understand why you would pop minuette on a movement intensive phase.

See what I did there...

[Lewtskie]

I don't understand why you would pop minuette on a movement intensive phase.

See what I did there...

Hey, I was just playing the fallacy on your overblown false claim. Besides, you started it with saying a Healer would pop Clerics during a healing phase, lol. Maybe you should relax a little.

[loreleidiangelo]

Hey, I was just playing the fallacy on your overblown false claim. Besides, you started it with saying a Healer would pop Clerics during a healing phase, lol. Maybe you should relax a little.

The implication was that popping Cleric's without intensive knowledge of the fight (ie, knowing when there are lapses in incoming damage) would punish a healer FAAAAAAR more significantly than it would punish a BRD for mis-clicking or mis-timing a Minuet. This won't always be the case (a movement-heavy burn phase would be an example where it would not), but for the most part, 15 seconds of being trapped in Minuet is SIGNIFICANTLY less risky than 6 seconds of being trapped in CS.

Technically, CS is "optional", but it's less optional for healers playing at the highest level of endgame.

[Lewtskie]

This won't always be the case

Exactly this. Not everything is always the case. But I honestly don't think Healers have it far worse, nor do I think bards have it worse. It's really all the same boat.

In a Light party so rarely are you facing a boss that is going to just rip all the health from the Tank, and in a full PT you obviously are not the only Healer. Under the circumstance that you are in a light PT and the Tank drops below enough, there are several factors that can secure yourselves from wiping if such a situation were to occur as the classes were so designed. You will always have a contingency so long as you know to prepare.

The whole cleric thing started because a poster claimed that BRDs were the only job that had to go through getting discriminated for not using minuette, which is just...well...false. Then I compared cleric stance with minuette in the sense that both have a recast timer and need to be popped up in specific scenarios (cleric on less healing intensive phases and minuette on phases that require little movement). Both punish the user for not using it appropriately.

Fair enough, I've got no beef.

Only chocobo.

[Gallus]

Hey, I was just playing the fallacy on your overblown false claim. Besides, you started it with saying a Healer would pop Clerics during a healing phase, lol. Maybe you should relax a little.

The whole cleric thing started because a poster claimed that BRDs were the only job that had to go through getting discriminated for not using minuette, which is just...well...false. Then I compared cleric stance with minuette in the sense that both have a recast timer and need to be popped up in specific scenarios (cleric on less healing intensive phases and minuette on phases that require little movement). Both punish the user for not using it appropriately.

[Raiker]

The whole cleric thing started because a poster claimed that BRDs were the only job that had to go through getting discriminated for not using minuette, which is just...well...false. Then I compared cleric stance with minuette in the sense that both have a recast timer and need to be popped up in specific scenarios (cleric on less healing intensive phases and minuette on phases that require little movement). Both punish the user for not using it appropriately.

Oh, that's where that came from.

[loreleidiangelo]

I don't understand why you would pop Clerics anywhere near a healing intensive phase. And the fairy's buff easily evens out the load with the other healer until you can switch back out, and I'm sure Lustrate followed by a quick Adlo is sufficient as well. Bene you obviously want to save for shit moments, unless you like popping it just because.

Why would you pop Minuet before a movement-heavy phase, then? I believe that particular poster was trying to draw that same comparison
- both jobs have to be careful about using a move that could penalize them if timed poorly.