I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Able]

Ehh, it feels like an actual bard now. A lot of people are mad because they can't face roll mechanics by being way more mobile than everyone else now.

[Chiramu]

Not to incite anything here, but I doubt your suggestion would have changed the gripe here. You'd still have to stand totally still to do your max damage, and that'd still be "taking away the freedom to move".

As MCH I find myself not moving around, only moving out of AOE and etcetera but I am concentrating on my DPS too much to worry about moving around for no reason. Plus I love my Gauss Barrel so much damage!

[Zyrusticae]

Ehh, it feels like an actual bard now. A lot of people are mad because they can't face roll mechanics by being way more mobile than everyone else now.

I faceroll mechanics all the time as a DRG. (And a WAR for that matter, but tanks don't really deal with mechanics anyway, unless it's tank swapping.)

[MercureXI]

Had a BRD in a low level roulette dungeon today.

He kept circling around mobs like a spintop.

We asked him why he was doing that (maybe he thought it added some sort of dps ?)

Answer : "because I have no back/rear attacks, and doing so annoys MNK and DRG players, because they can't do that lolz"

. . .


I guess he will be pissed off once he gets to 50+ WM style too.

[RyuRoots]

I thought I would have a hard time with the changes but in the end I love it. I would give it some more time.
If you think about it lore-wise an archer should have to sit still and knock back the arrow and steady it (cast time) to achieve more power...not that it matters but I really like it.

Not as true as you might think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

[Kazahashi]

I have tested few times...
From my personal opinion without WM bard can atatin fair or more DPS + mobility.
With WM you can have massive burst with the combo "Raging Strikes" + "Hawk's Eye" + "Blood for Blood" + "Barrage" and followup by Empyreal Arrow.

I'm wonder what will happen if we can lower our GCB from Skill Speed & Cast Time from Spell Speed.
Could you imagine if we got castime less than 1sec and GCD less than 2sec... This could be Imba.

Exactly this. It's the same with Gauss Barrel for MCH. It's fantastic for that burst damage during a DPS check and stuff, then switch it off, wait for your cooldowns and turn it on for a massive explosion of damage again.

You just have to figure out how to rotate it and stuff. It's actually really cool when you get used to it.

[Felis]

I think OP's problem is that Bard don't get a own timer bar called aiming bar.

A aiming bar can be like a casting bar, but with the difference that the Bard can still shoot before the aiming bar reach 100% at the cost of lower damage bonus. Of course, moving would reset the aiming bar because it would break the aiming process.
That would make it more like in FF Tactics.

Or OP complain that sniping don't feel like just shooting.

[Zyrusticae]

I think OP's problem is that Bard don't get a own timer bar called aiming bar.

A aiming bar can be like a casting bar, but with the difference that the Bard can still shoot before the aiming bar reach 100% at the cost of lower dps bonus. Of course, moving would reset the aiming bar because it would break the aiming process.
That would make it more like in FF Tactics.

Sure. Could even make it based on how long you hold down the key for the ability in question. Release it early for less damage if you need to move, instead of it being interrupted all the time if you so much as tap a movement key.

[Vespar]

The fact that these threads still keep popping up despite the changes leads me to believe that Bard is still in need of further improvements or fixes.

Many people who have a gripes against Bards moving around dont seem to recall that for our mobility and utility we naturally do less dmg than other classes. So I feel the stigma against Bard and MCH for that regard is unjust.

That being said though, I also don't run around like a chicken when Im on bard purely because I can. I usually just hang out in a position where I CAN move if necessary. Bards who are running around like chickens, should probably consider the implications of moving unnecessarily. It does cause issues on occasion for your party. Please be aware :P

[Kiara1]

I hate the cast bar as MCH, I don't know if I get the proc in time so I'm always waiting an extra second to see if I get it, meaning I lose a second of gcd rotation every attack.
And whats the point of having rapid fire when gcd is faster than procs?

Try popping reload, rapid fire, and then do your 1-2-3 combo. Your 3 is not gonna deal the bonus damage from the proc.
This drives me crazy, and it kills all my hopes of maybe they will change gcd to 1,5 seconds in the future