Bard - they broke my job

[Rowyne]

Wow. What a wonderful thing, to have such stigma attached to my beloved job.
Not healed, died, not raised, ran back not given protect afterwards, died once more on a trash when pots and 2nd wind were on CD, and a third time on the second boss. So I called out the healer.

tank: bard damage is too low.
healer: you don't do enough damage.
Me: So you would rather have me do no damage instead?
Screen goes black.
You have been dismissed from the party.

If this is the attitude the community has taken toward bard (and machinist), we need adjustments sooner rather than later to fix this epic screw up.

My husband and I were trying to get Bismarck (hard) done for our main scenario tonight. For those who have yet to complete it, the fight is a DPS check. We had 3 bards in the party. One person immediately left, saying, "Yeah, this isn't happening with 3 bards."

My husband has been a bard main since ARR launch, and all he wants is for his class to be respected DPS. His disappointment tonight after seeing how the attitude of the community is becoming negatively biased against bards was frustrating.

[lugiaXD]

honestly after a lot of thought i think the best course of action is this;
the point of WM was to bring our dps up to casters DPS while still giving us a penalty for it. so why not remove our support?
if our support was half the reason they gimped us (the other half being mobility) then remove our support and give us the damage buff. i wouldn't mind a 3 second cast if it means i get 20% damage up at the loss of my support aspects (make all the other songs unusable and turning one on removes the effects of Wanderer's minuet).

Keep the cast time on EA and while minuet is up change Barrage to what it currently is (the triple attack for a single target wep skill) and when you are in support mode change barrage back to the auto attack buff.
hopefully warden's paean becomes useful and at that point i feel like bard might be in a better place.

to summarise
Wanderer's Minuet:
Increases damage by 15% for the duration of the effect. cannot be used with other songs, cannot be affected by battle voice.
Additional effects: Causes Barrage to cause a single target, non-critical weapon skill to hit 3 times.

please keep in mind that the reason i say 15% and not 20% is because i don't want bard to be top dps, i want us to only do more damage than the tanks but less damage than the dedicated dps purely because we do have mobility on our side.

with 15% and AA dps with emp arrow and IJ i honestly think 10% might actually fit better for achieving that but i feel like if they don't want to completely ruin bard's playstyle while still letting it do some better DPS then they should be making the risk be no more support for the party with the reward being that big DPS boost for us.

it then becomes more about knowing when to have it off for the party and when to keep it on for our own boosts to dps.

[Mikedizzy]

I am on PS4 so have not been able to see what I am dpsing currently but What are Top Tier Bards DPS ing now??? Would love to see some solid #'s on this.

[Snowaeth]

I'd rather have WM would make our attacks melee range.
If melee can have high numbers because they have to stay in melee range, I don't mind playing a melee BRD for dps gain, since that doesn't actually breaks the BRD playstyle as the current WM does.

[Tonberrian]

I am on PS4 so have not been able to see what I am dpsing currently but What are Top Tier Bards DPS ing now??? Would love to see some solid #'s on this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._wm_no_wm_and/

[LLamaPie]

I'd rather have WM would make our attacks melee range.
If melee can have high numbers because they have to stay in melee range, I don't mind playing a melee BRD for dps gain, since that doesn't actually breaks the BRD playstyle as the current WM does.

I'd rather them just expand the original kit instead of killing any sort of mobility that bard has. Like, what was the purpose of nerfing that to begin with? BRD was good dps never great dps. Now it is poor because the entire 50-60 skill benefits besides sidewinder revolve around a song that completely ruins bard.

[Syrixa]

They have improved bards. Treat the new style as if you was playing a blm.

[Rhael]

They have improved bards. Treat the new style as if you was playing a blm.

It's not an improvement by any sense of the word. If I wanted to play BLM, I would never have leveled my Bard past 34.

[Syrixa]

you need to think of it as increased dmg yes they reduce our movement but we increased dps you just need to learn a new rotation i play the bard and i love the new set they have done to em and i can already see a increase they will not be able to top a mnk nina blm or any of the higher dps because they was never meant to. their are still under the definition of a support class though that is not a thing in this game atm but they have and will always be a low dps class regardless

[Rhael]

you need to think of it as increased dmg yes they reduce our movement but we increased dps

So, I should only focus on the negligible damage increase while ignoring the other detrimental side effects? I think you're severely missing the point...