Thavnairian Bustier - evidence that SE adores Gil sellers.

[Kosmos992k]

:sigh:
The majority of replies are in the all too typical "attack and belittle first, think and reaon never" category.

I'm not sure what is worse, the fact that so few people stopped to think, or that so very, very many of you concluded that because I was posting to complain that this new vanity set is too hard to obtain, that I was also demanding it be handed out for next to nothing. That's a pretty stupid assumption to make. All the insults and assumptions about why I posted, and what I think were based on little more than a single unwarranted assumption and conclusion.

So many of you appear to be convinced that if someone complains about something, then the only alternative is the opposite situation. I did not ask for the outfit to be given out, or sold at a vendor, nor did I suggest it should be made a lvl 1 craft. I compared this to the situation that existed with the swimsuits gated behing very high fishing and Cul desynth requirements. Yoshida-san specifically adrressed that issue before and went as far as to say that they understood it was a problem, was too difficult/rare and they would avoid doing anything similar in future, and yet here we are, again.

Actually my personal suggestion would have been to gate the outfit behind a dungeon drop and the specialization system, hardly asking for it to be handed out is it? I have to say that responding to someone by telling them to go do it themself (as many posters inthis topic have) is nothing more than an attempt to incite a response. Practically speaking this vanity item will be out of the reach of the vast majority of players for a decently long time. Personally, for an item that has no performance impact on our jobs, I think that is ludicrous. But then in a game where the developer apparently thinks it's OK for less than 1% the players to be able to participate in so-called player housing; why should I be surprised that the same vanishingly small number of players also have the opportunity to corner the market in rare items, and suck in even more gil? We thought the monetarists were in Uldah, seems like we have a pretty good merchant class running the show in Eorzea at large.

The point about Gil selling and RMT was simply that the creation a highly desirable item that commands high prices creates an incentive for some players to become involved in Gil purchases - just as some are tempted to buy gil to buy runs, or during the great housing farce, to buy one of the infinitessimal number of available houses.

The point of the topic is not, and was not to demand that the Thavnairian set be made stupidly easy to get. On one hand, I wanted to draw attention to the fact that they had effectively repeated the mistakes of the swimsuits befor, but that it's actually worse this time, and that might draw some into RMT. On the other I wanted to point out that the difficulty of obtaining the mats, skills,levels and gear needed to make this item puts it beyond the reach of the vast majority of players. The high level crafters and leading raiders are the exceptional players in this game, they are not the normal, average, ordinary player; unlike the vast majority of paying subscribers to this game.

Complaining about excessive difficulty is not the same as demanding any dificulty be scrapped to make things easy. The difficulty could be eased without making the item suddenly worthless, so all you merchant princes will be safe within your full coffers of gil. Easing it just a little would allow more players to participate in the content, and also allow more players to purchase the set at 'reasonable' prices.

However, you'll all choose to read whatever you want in to my post, more things that are not there, and the react by throwing further insult and assumption at me.

[XxSliphxX]

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I'd give you more likes if I could. I totally get what you are saying but your argument is falling on deaf ears here. This forum is full of the most hateful rabid fanbois I've ever seen in any mmo I've ever played. Good luck trying to have any kind of rational discussion or debate if you have anything even remotely negative to say about there precious ff game. Yoshi P and crew can apparently do no wrong and if you have any problem obviously it's your fault. That's all I have learned from these forums.

[Onikimaru]

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Well if you don't want it handed to you, what reward do crafters have to level then if these are made mainstream?, these items give incentive to crafters and just players in general to craft, which in turn gets the economy running. Is it over priced?, yes. Is it worth accusing SE of liking gil sellers?, absolutely not!. If people insulting you worries you this much, why would you make such a stupid and widely inaccurate post?, it is so ineptly stupid that you even had that thought cross your mind.

The majority of replies are in the all too typical "attack and belittle first, think and reaon never" category.

You know why it's typical don't you?, common sense is errr...pretty common these days. And it's funny that you talk about "think" and "reason" when you clearly never thought about either of those before making your OP or this comment....

I have to say that responding to someone by telling them to go do it themself (as many posters inthis topic have) is nothing more than an attempt to incite a response

Oh so you didn't expect that when making this thread?, i mean doesn't it make sense that if you want something you...oh i dunno call me crazy but...go and get it?. Is this some sort of crazy concept that was just invented that you're unaware of?.

The point about Gil selling and RMT was simply that the creation a highly desirable item that commands high prices creates an incentive for some players to become involved in Gil purchases - just as some are tempted to buy gil to buy runs, or during the great housing farce, to buy one of the infinitessimal number of available houses.

Nothing will ever stop people from buying gil, as long as stuff costs gil, people will always buy it. No matter the cost!.

Complaining about excessive difficulty is not the same as demanding any dificulty be scrapped to make things easy. The difficulty could be eased without making the item suddenly worthless, so all you merchant princes will be safe within your full coffers of gil. Easing it just a little would allow more players to participate in the content, and also allow more players to purchase the set at 'reasonable' prices.

Once again it is not hard to obtain, i explained in my post how ridiculous it is to level your crafters and gatherers. The two new biggest leveling resources are, Rowenas house of splendors(constant never ending leve), and temple leves. All made for the more casual players that did not like the 2.0 grind. And on top of all that you have GC turn in's, which basically gives you half a level every hand in!.

The materials aren't even hard to obtain i don't see the problem. Even if there was another way to obtain items like this, you'd need max level anyway. It'd be like pony farming, would you want more of that for more vanity?, 8 people rolling on something with a 3% drop rate with 5 different pieces?. Good luck with that!.

[SarcasmMisser]

That price on behemoth is already really easy, you are really not trying if you can't get together that amount.

[Blood-Aki]

Tonight my character sheds a tear for you, OP.

THIS thing is what all the fuss is about? it dosn't even look that great, makes the price tag on it even more absurd, i was expecting hardcore revealing or something? and people are paying 70 mil for that? LOL Got to love this game.

[Kosmos992k]

**snip to cut the crap**

Oh, i thought before I replied, I read the entire thread, got thoroughly annoyed and responded appropriately. I'd have thought that was clear.Apparently though, it's a lot easier for you to reply, ignore the point being made and instead attempt to prove that this level 60, 1 star craft that uses 3 pieces of a mat only obtainable vian RNG and lotting during a treasure map, is some how easy to do.

I'm not going to attempt to convonce you that you are wrong in your claims about how "not difficult" it would be to level your crafts etc... You are already too entrenched in your opinion. Whats sad about this is the majority of posters on this forum, including yourself, live in a little bubble universe of players who live, sleep, eat and drink this game. You can't stop for a moment to realize that what seems easy or straight forward to YOU is not so straightforward to OTHER players.

So, continue with your lack of understanding, or empathy for others, it's not gonna bother you either way.

That price on behemoth is already really easy, you are really not trying if you can't get together that amount.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion, but as I said to the previous poster, don't presume that what you consider easy or straight forward is considered easy or straight forward by others.

[Onikimaru]

Oh, i thought before I replied, I read the entire thread, got thoroughly annoyed and responded appropriately. I'd have thought that was clear.Apparently though, it's a lot easier for you to reply, ignore the point being made and instead attempt to prove that this level 60, 1 star craft that uses 3 pieces of a mat only obtainable vian RNG and lotting during a treasure map, is some how easy to do.

I'm not going to attempt to convonce you that you are wrong in your claims about how "not difficult" it would be to level your crafts etc... You are already too entrenched in your opinion. Whats sad about this is the majority of posters on this forum, including yourself, live in a little bubble universe of players who live, sleep, eat and drink this game. You can't stop for a moment to realize that what seems easy or straight forward to YOU is not so straightforward to OTHER players.

So, continue with your lack of understanding, or empathy for others, it's not gonna bother you either way.

Clap clap clap...Bravo, you nailed it. I live in a perfect little bubble in a perfect little world where everybody else is evil and i am the good guy hardy harrr har!. Now, can we talk like normal people?. Alright so instead of being a hypocrite and trying to make a personal attack I.E "personal bubble" "assuming we have no lives". Go read my post back, maybe re-reading it will open your eyes a little. Where in my post am i being selfish and or am in a "personal bubble"?. I don't know what else you expect from SE, they've literally taken all the steps in heavensward catering to players like yourself. There is so many ways to do so many things, everything is so easy to do yet you sit here and complain.

I am replying because it bugs me the F out when people like you complain about every single little thing that is hard to obtain, when it isn't at all. And guess what?, i want it to, i want all these items, know how i am going to go about that?, im going to put in the effort!.

[CGMidlander]

I'm not going to attempt to convonce you that you are wrong in your claims about how "not difficult" it would be to level your crafts etc... You are already too entrenched in your opinion.

Conversely, just because you find it hard/annoying, doesn't mean many players don't. You are severely underestimating how big of a boon collectable turn ins are if you think people with highly leveled crafters ATM had to have "live, sleep, eat, and drink" this game.

Whats sad about this is the majority of posters on this forum, including yourself, live in a little bubble universe of players who live, sleep, eat and drink this game.

You aren't qualified to speak about the majority of the posters on the forums, because you don't know the majority. Stating that as though it were fact is a poor show of character IMO.

[Selli]

THIS thing is what all the fuss is about? it dosn't even look that great, makes the price tag on it even more absurd, i was expecting hardcore revealing or something? and people are paying 70 mil for that? LOL Got to love this game.

I think it's cute. :c

Maybe not 70mil worth of Gil cute. But still cute.

[SarcasmMisser]

Not sure how you come to that conclusion, but as I said to the previous poster, don't presume that what you consider easy or straight forward is considered easy or straight forward by others.

So you're saying you're just terrible at making money?