Bard - they broke my job

[WaffleFaerie]

250 replies, 25 thousand views in 5 days - why is this not answered by SE?

Just in case anyone was wondering, the equivalent thread to this one on the official Japanese forum is 50 pages long (40 of which are disgruntled), has 250,000 views, and they seem to be asking that same question. I plugged it into Google Translate out of curiosity after reading the two big threads on Reddit, just to see if they were remotely upset, and they look PISSSED OFF. It's the "Kyujutsu-shi-bard thread." The sadness starts at the top of page 11.

https://translate.google.com/transla...551&edit-text=

And if anyone can confirm, it also seems to me that (over there, at least, I'm not 60 yet so I don't know) bards are being excluded from PF and kicked from DF? I could easily be wrong...but even if the damage was repaired, it's not all about the damage, it's about how the job FEELS, and the "flow" is just gone.

[SovereignAegis]

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GOOD I AM GLAD TO READ THIS!

Thank you so much.

They seem even more angry than I could have imagined.

[Wishles]

And if anyone can confirm, it also seems to me that (over there, at least, I'm not 60 yet so I don't know) bards are being excluded from PF and kicked from DF? I could easily be wrong...but even if the damage was repaired, it's not all about the damage, it's about how the job FEELS, and the "flow" is just gone.

It's just not optimal in some parties to have 2 BRDs or MCHs in the same party. There's a "DPS check" in Bismarck EX that requires a high DPS to down the adds in time. Even in Ravana EX, there's an enrage timer at 10 minutes which also makes having two BRDs or MCHs not very good.

[yamochan]

well and why shoulndt they flame the everloving crap out of this? japanese are just like us very into the classes play and changes such as this will cause an uproar. wich the best thing that happened to me this week ^^
also again to those who still think we only cry for more dmg you guys are only part right dmg is needed yes but we want our damn movement back thats the key. again there are enough BLMs we dont need more of them.

[Kayko]

We have plenty of movement, its a 1.5 cast with a 2.5 CD. During that time you can use instants (off GCD) abilities while you are moving. With the exception of BizEX (which I've had maybe 10 pulls on so far), I haven't found the need to be constantly moving though even there it really doesn't seem to bad anymore as the group I play with is getting adjusted to the mechanics.
Changes can be done to improve WM. I made just a few suggestions on page 25 that could work and really bring life to WM as it stands with cast times.

[Seifa]

At least even japanese players are complaining, at least i'm more optimistic that SE will listen to our concerns.

[Id_Slayer]

I told my FC i'd love to see a move where I could toggle a stance and get more DPS when standing still, but retain current DPS when I have to turn it off. Then they go and come out with these changes to bard. If I hadn't switched to MCH, I would have loved to mess with these changes to brd. It's just unfortunate that changes were made to DET and CRIT and auto-attacks and all that jazz...I went to parse my bard on a dummy in 3.0 and could only average about 460-470, whereas previously after 3 minutes I could hit 490-520...

[Panasync]

At least even japanese players are complaining, at least i'm more optimistic that SE will listen to our concerns.

This. Our greatest hope and ally are the Japanese playerbase. As sad as it is to say, SE is far more apt to listening to changes needed from the JP players, always have, hopefully wont always be the case, but how seriously they take NA/EU issues when compared to the JP players is highly highly questionable.

[SethLex]

This. Our greatest hope and ally are the Japanese playerbase. As sad as it is to say, SE is far more apt to listening to changes needed from the JP players, always have, hopefully wont always be the case, but how seriously they take NA/EU issues when compared to the JP players is highly highly questionable.

Maybe this some sort of united effort, then? Strength in numbers? Post in their thread also letting them know that the EU/NA community is also concerned about this and want a change.

[Panasync]

Maybe this some sort of united effort, then? Strength in numbers? Post in their thread also letting them know that the EU/NA community is also concerned about this and want a change.

I would call these threads that, I just think that the JP playerbase has the ears of the developers when they issue complaints like this, where as NA SE can mention that we're complaining, but if/and how much the JP developers care about us is questionable. I get the feeling the JP developers pull what they did in 2.0 with WAR a lot of times when NA/EU complaints spring up (you're just not using WAR how it was intended yet, wait until you unlock it's full potential... buff a patch or two later due to all the double paladin parties being the norm and WAR being crap).