A serious discussion about abridging the story quest 1-50 (discouraging new players)

[Atrayl]

Except that it's not so personal, when it's plausible to assume that would happen in a widespread manner.

No, it really isn't.

Maybe you should play with people who won't pressure you into doing things you don't want to do?

[Jayjohn]

Did the MSQ 8 times.

Didn't have any problems doing it and leveling to 50 just doing the MSQ stuff is easy anyways.

Did go through 11 seasons of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis. Also ended up watching Futurama.

[Xairos]

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I had a friend come back to the game when Syrcus Tower was released... I was so excited that I wanted to show him the new raid. But guess what? He had to slog through the Crystal Tower quest to even get close to seeing it. Ooh I was bummed, but I told him "lets get you caught up together" and we just played the game. Was it an "affront to our intelligence" by SE to have to do that content? No because playing an MMO and really any other game is just a way to kill time.

Either new players will want to play the game for what it is or they will find something to make them quit. You can\\'t change other people. You can\\'t change the way HW (and much of the cool stuff in ffxiv) is story gated. This whole game is attunement. Some of our friends will hate that. Not the game\\'s fault.

[Tuathaa]

Please explain to me how making the story quest optional changes YOUR experience even one iota...

He did it's because the game forces him to, and he would cancel his sub if the game no longer forces him to do the quests.

[ThanMazus]

Story Time 2.0

Either new players will want to play the game for what it is or they will find something to make them quit. You can\\'t change other people. You can\\'t change the way HW (and much of the cool stuff in ffxiv) is story gated. This whole game is attunement. Some of our friends will hate that. Not the game\\'s fault.

Yes, I read your anecdote about Crystal Tower the first time you posted it. There is still a difference between gating raid 2 behind raid 1, and gating new jobs behind the entire set of 350~ (quoting this number from another user) quests. I can't change it, but that doesn't mean it can't be changed. Kudos though, for not being like other posters and being excited for having driven paying customers away.

[Tuathaa]

Did the MSQ 8 times.

Didn't have any problems doing it and leveling to 50 just doing the MSQ stuff is easy anyways.

Did go through 11 seasons of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis. Also ended up watching Futurama.

Did you watch all the seasons back to back and all the commercials?
Or did you watch the abridged version with no commercials

[Mintyfresh]

OP is correct.

It's a long, tedious, crappy, boring, and silly quest chain.
Are there great points in the storyline, YES! There are, infact last 3-4 quests before entering Ishgard were fantastic, hell, I even read through every line of dialog. 90% of the rest I skipped as I couldn't keep my eyes open due to boredom.

But most of the stuff is just nonsensical go from point A->B->C->B->A->B->C garbage. If that's what people in this thread consider "real" work" and real experience like the GOT experience"....please, just please stop it.

What they need to do is consolidate/compound the story in some fashion or the other.

Also, as per some other people, if this is the only way to stop gold-sellers, then what a sh188y way of doing this.

But meh, keep your expectations low, almost 2 years in, they can't let you queue when your companion is out, what do you expect.

This is how I look at online games now, there are some things that are going to be Sh188y in every game. This game shines at certain points, and just bores you to death at others.

It took me about 3 days to finish the story, it was a crappy experience, it was boring and a snoozefest till the last 3 quests. Just do them and get it over with. It'll be painful but if they have decided to lock the classes and zone behind a story, screw it, finish it and get to the new zone.

It's not a bright thing to do, but perhaps that is the price you pay to play a game that..well, is much better than any other game in the market currently.

Cheers-

[Xairos]

Yes, I read your anecdote about Crystal Tower the first time you posted it.

Just checking. I empathize with a new play and the mountains of stuff they have to do to join us in the fun. But the twist is every game is like that. If you wanna play destiny it's the same thing. In fact it's cash gate for that game. I look at how we (as a genre) got here. We all somewhat asked for meaning for us killing stuff. Story gives meaning. Now we are tied to the story. So for SE it means they have to wrap up a story each patch iteration (3.0 to 3.5) so no one is gated. That's probably the best way forward.

[Felis]

Did you watch all the seasons back to back and all the commercials?
Or did you watch the abridged version with no commercials

Oh, the commercial blocks (grind for gear and exp) got already removed from the 2.x MSQ.
Now you can just do the MSQ and don't have to worry about the ilevel requirement until 2.55 because the MSQ give you all what you need.

[Jayjohn]

Did you watch all the seasons back to back and all the commercials?
Or did you watch the abridged version with no commercials

I watched the abridged version.

I get people got issues with the MSQ and being gated by it. But leveling from 1- 50 it is way faster than doing anything else in the game From my experience and that's an experience leveling up 8 characters, fetch and travel quests literally take a few minutes to get done and you don't need to be paying 100% attention.