NPC pairings

[Atoli]

Eisetien w/e and Iceheart please.

I just can't wrap my mind around it how someone who is made of nothing but pure hate is supposed to love xD
Seriously, that guy hates EVERYTHING. Lower class people, dragons, mages, DRAGONS, chocobos, unfit people, dragons, nobility, Iceheart, insects, dragons and even fucking Moogles.
There's no love in Estinien's black heart

[Shuon]

I just can't wrap my mind around it how someone who is made of nothing but pure hate is supposed to love xD
Seriously, that guy hates EVERYTHING. Lower class people, dragons, mages, DRAGONS, chocobos, unfit people, dragons, nobility, Iceheart, insects, dragons and even fucking Moogles.
There's no love in Estinien's black heart

Estinien is so snide i love him.

But yes Estinien and Ysale make a lovely, squabbling couple

[Duelle]

I just can't wrap my mind around it how someone who is made of nothing but pure hate is supposed to love xD
Seriously, that guy hates EVERYTHING. Lower class people, dragons, mages, DRAGONS, chocobos, unfit people, dragons, nobility, Iceheart, insects, dragons and even fucking Moogles.
There's no love in Estinien's black heart

To quote a certain manga of questionable morals, love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Their true opposite is indifference.

So someone that hates everything can also love everything.

Estinien is so snide i love him.

But yes Estinien and Ysale make a lovely, squabbling couple

Ditto on both counts. Estinien is the type of guy that is focused on what he does, and he seemed to be growing and learning from his experiences with the WoL and Ysaile during the MSQ. And yes, I saw it too; a squabbling couple of different idealogies.

[Atoli]

love and hate are two sides of the same coin. So someone that hates everything can also love everything.

That's not how it works. You can't actually love something you hate, because then you wouldn't be truly hating it. You can be mad at yourself for liking it, because you maybe know it's bad for you, but no actual hate. Rivalry, different ideologies, bickering - those aren't hate. And of course, a strong obsession with one person whom you hate can turn into liking or even love at some point, but it's simply not making any sense to say it's possible at the same time. If you hate everything, you can't love any of the things you hate, that's it.
(Although, honestly, Estinien doesn't have that kind of deep feelings for anything early on. He just considers himself so high up that everything else is weak, disgusting and not worth his notice for quite a while, except for his hometown which he seems to deeply care about)

But if you read my comment on the last page, you know that I already succumbed to that couple That only happened though, because Estinien changed a lot after he found out the truth about the Dragonsong war.
He is still true to his somewhat sarcastic and prideful character, but he stops looking down on EVERYTHING like he did beforehand, and that was the point where I could first see him in any kind of relationship like actual friendship or even love, in Ysayle's case.

[Duelle]

And of course, a strong obsession with one person whom you hate can turn into liking or even love at some point, but it's simply not making any sense to say it's possible at the same time. If you hate everything, you can't love any of the things you hate, that's it.

I never said it was possible at the same time, but the line between love and hate is so thin that it's fairly easy to cross.

That only happened though, because Estinien changed a lot after he found out the truth about the Dragonsong war.

Before the Aymeric thing came out of left field, I was thinking with all the talk of Ishgard not having a king until someone worthy came along, I figured Estinien would learn about stuff over the course of the journey, and by the end of the storyline (3.5 or whatever) he'd somehow decide to rule over Ishgard, having grown to understand more than just the "man vs dragon" bit, including the importance of unifying the people of Ishgard to bring about a better future. Maybe bring in Ysaile somehow to help bridge that gap between the former heretics and the people inside the city walls. A campy solution but I'm a sucker for characters that become better people over the course of the story.

Still trying to decide which I like better between "guy that learns he's had his head up his ass and becomes better for it" (Estinien) and "illegitimate son that's always wanted to do good but until recently lacked the power to do so" (Aymeric).

[Atoli]

spoilers

Well I'm fine with Aymeric simply because I just fangirl too much for him to not be fine with him being in the position he is in at the end of the current MSQ
I loved seeing Estinien warm up to others, but I couldn't imagine him in the position you suggested, so...

But I'm glad he's not dead yet. Although that actually came as a shock of some sort xD I thought he had died (or well, his consciousness and soul) and been reunited with Ysayle in death, only his lifeforce left in this world now used by Nidhogg. Going around talking to NPCs after the great finale, Alphinaud suddenly said "Ok, time to get Estinien back to normal." and I was like "Oh, we can get him back? xD Didn't expect that.." xD
We'll see which direction they take with him in the next patches, but even if Aymeric hadn't taken the leadership role already, I doubt Estinien would have been the ruler type sitting around doing deskwork and stuff.

but we aren't allowed to ship our characters...

Because this is a thread about NPC pairings. Prove to me that Hylia is an NPC and not played by you and you may ship her with anyone you want :P

Nanamo and Pipin, i will always see Nanamo as Raubahn's daughter, so make it official~

But...if you see her as Raubahn's daughter and Pipin is Raubahn's son too, they are brother and sister! Isn't that kind of incest-y? :x