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  1. #11
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    Arixtotle's Avatar
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    Masakata Izumi
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    White Mage Lv 80
    They have flat out said that they have tuned Alexander (Savage) to factor in Healer DPS. It will not factor into Alexander (Normal) or any other content. If they have added accuracy to Healer gear I expect it will be on Esoteric gear and maybe Alexander (Normal) gear. As well as Alexander (Savage) gear of course.
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  2. #12
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arixtotle View Post
    They have flat out said that they have tuned Alexander (Savage) to factor in Healer DPS. It will not factor into Alexander (Normal) or any other content. If they have added accuracy to Healer gear I expect it will be on Esoteric gear and maybe Alexander (Normal) gear. As well as Alexander (Savage) gear of course.
    The only thing they flat out said was that Alexander normal was not tuned for healer dps. They never said Savage was, however.
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  3. #13
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    Actually no, that came from a mistranslated live letter that a player did, and everyone started believing this. The official translation had Yoshi-p saying that, when designing content, they do not count healer DPS contributions. Instead they add up the total DPS contributions of damage dealers and tank roles (assuming top-teir play) and subtract 10-15% off to allow for player/mechanic variances. I am at work so don't have the link, but when I get home I'll look for it. Think I bookmarked it since everyone kept throwing around the myth of "healer DPS is needed."

    Basically, if your raid group absolutely NEEDS a healer to DPS to pass a mechanic, either A) the DD jobs are under-geared, or B) the DD jobs aren't doing their jobs properly. Healer DPS is purely optional, and really only necessary if you're tackling raids at a 10-15 ilevel difference below the recommended value.
    Dunno if your first paragraph is true, I'll look into it, but the second part is a bunch of excuses, honestly.

    Whether it's needed or not is irrelevant, if you have the power to be doing 200 dps (which every healer in coil could easily do with some effort and RNG), there is literally no reason to not do it unless you are A: Lazy. Or B: Too unfamiliar with the fight to know when you can.

    Call me elitist, but I'll never understand why people choose to do less than they are able. It's why I don't understand these healer dps debates that are such a hot button issue on these forums. It's irrelevant if the game expects you to do it, it's more something you should expect from yourself. :/

    Though I will say I tend to be more lenient towards white mages since they're less DPS-able than scholars are.
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    Last edited by FoxyAreku; 06-22-2015 at 08:44 AM.

  4. #14
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    Justin Tymes
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    As long as Bio, Bio 2, Combust, and the other astro DoT ignores accuracy, those classes at the least will be expected to contribute. Sorry.
    SCH is hurt tremendously by 0 ACC. Aero, Energy Drain(Dissipate gives you 3 more), Miasma, Broil, and even Ruin are a huge part of SCH DPS, and with 0 ACC that DPS doesn't look good anymore. Especially with Broil's MP cost and Energy Drain being locked behind Aetherflow Stacks.

    I'd sooner use AT over SCH in end-game content considering these changes. Either that or just take the i170 book, and meld Savage Aim 5 on everything else.
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  5. #15
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    Ironica Acinori
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    Faerie
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    I'm mixed about this... I'm used to DPSing as a healer in FFXIV, but I feel like it'll be nice to not have to. That and I will no longer have to do the job of DPS because the DPS in my party happens to suck. Meaning they'll have to pick up the slack instead of being lazy (not saying this is for all parties, but I've been in quiet a few where they literally do the bare minimum and I am seriously left to wonder if they are lightly napping at their keyboard).

    It all depends on what there is for the new endgame, honestly though. Is it designed in mind for healers to not have to be somewhat viable at DPS? Or is it designed so healers can just heal without it being a horror show? Time will tell.

    In all truth though, the only people I can see being overly upset about this is DPS and tanks. FFXIV is literally the only game I've ever played as a healer that required me to DPS so much. The amount of rage directed to me when I first started off playing as a healer because I didn't know that I had to DPS also, was beyond staggering to me. DPS and tanks having to pick up the DPS that healers no longer provide, like in most MMORPGs? *Gasp!* The horror!
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    Last edited by Elmeron; 06-22-2015 at 08:57 AM.

  6. #16
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    The reason is simple: because doing more as a healer means healing better. Not dpsing better. If your healing doesnt suffer at all from any dps you might do, then the discussion is pointless for a different reason: the content is too trivial (when it comes to healing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    The reason is simple: because doing more as a healer means healing better. Not dpsing better. If your healing doesnt suffer at all from any dps you might do, then the discussion is pointless for a different reason: the content is too trivial (when it comes to healing).
    How is overhealing rewarded in this game?
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    Phafi Flailspike
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 80
    If you recall 2.x, healing gear didn't get accuracy until the second coil iteration. Maybe we're in the same boat accuracy wise as the binding coil where it's not as needed.

    furthermore: Rain of Death.
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    Kinako Kuromitsu
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    Fisher Lv 70
    I remember reading something somewhere about accuracy not being necessary for tanks, or lowering the accuracy requirement for tanks, or something along those lines. Maybe it's the same for healers?
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    Hugo Fact
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    Odin
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    Hopefully the gear we're getting in four weeks has some.
    I really don't want to have to stand around like a turd waiting for people to get hit because of accuracy issues, it's just so boring.
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