Raid runs and gear drops

[Rogue]

All im trying to suggest is that i think more of a focus on trying to let people have FUN (in a video game) is more appealing than making it a challenge.

i even suggested that having a difficulty setting (with no effect on drops) might be a good idea so the hardcore players can still get their kicks

i like a challenge as much as anyone but not being able to complete because we have inexperienced players or a party make up that isnt ideal isnt very much "fun" for anyone.

[Keftenk]

Well that's just the thing, I wouldn't go as far as saying that the speed-run objective is a "hard mode" but it's definitely a specialty. You want the ability to just form up a rack-sack of players ranging from complete nubs to veterans and able to clear a speed-run with success. That just isn't going to happen unless the veterans are able to carry everyone, which is completely possible.

The speed-run objective isn't supposed to be cleared in one go, it's pretty brutal in its requirements of not messing up, thus requiring you to run it multiple times (if you aren't all seasoned veterans) to learn exactly how you will have to manage things and where you need to cut corners. I'm not sure why you think such a learning curve should just be handed to any and every player so freely and easily. Heaven forbid your LS has to actually wipe a couple of times to realize that you either A) Suck. B) Need to change your thought process and execution in order to complete the speed-run.

By the way, party make-up is definitely not critical by ANY means besides a tank and a healer for regular completion. Experience definitely is, but like any new instance/raid in ANY MMO...scratch that, ANY GAME, experience trumps all. Are you not expecting to learn from your mistakes via wipes and deaths? Give me a break.

What would be wrong of SE is if they made the objective so hard where casuals were pounding their head against the wall after the 10th, 20th, 30th, etc. wipe. If that is occurring, things should be addressed by SE, either they need to comment that it's designed for the more hardcore player or they truly should be adjusting the content since it was designed explicitly for the casual gamer. Then again, I'm kidding myself, if a group is so casual, you wouldn't tolerate anything over 5 wipes, right? Casual players have the patience and attention span of a goldfish <_____>

[Rogue]

Im saying that archers and mages are required for a speed run

[Keftenk]

Im saying that archers and mages are required for a speed run

Which they most definitely aren't, beyond of course a healer mage.

[Haji]

While I'm sure I have the right to speak, as I did not finish any instanced dungeon yet, I'd like point out that this is not the first time ARC, GLA, CON is mentioned to be the way to go in instances on this forum. If nothing else this point out a very bad class inbalance.

[Keftenk]

While I'm sure I have the right to speak, as I did not finish any instanced dungeon yet, I'd like point out that this is not the first time ARC, GLA, CON is mentioned to be the way to go in instances on this forum. If nothing else this point out a very bad class inbalance.

People who are crying about it are people that don't know what they're even talking about though ;\ Melee do just fine in the instance <_>

[weeble]

i agree with keftnek sorry, not here to pay for a graphical aol chat room where all the mobs go down in 2 seconds, the reward for doing it at that level of compancy is that sword, if u can't put in that time then get a different sword. this is the point of mmo's and most have "fun" this way, and those who don't still enjoy playing without getting "everything" they want. just put in some time if u want something bad enough and u will. don't put in that time then u can't really want it that bad. it's not even a hnm with botters or elitists, u just need to put a 8man static together to learn it for a few weeks, it took months of camping most gear drops in ffxi. not that i'm comparing but yeah this game is way more "fun" as u call it that we need. way to much fun lol. hopefully gets a little more stressfull in my opinion.

[Rogue]

keftank you seem intent on arguing..

you will atleast admit it is ALOT easier with archers and mages?

[Rogue]

thats my point weeble

i could get a party of archers and mage and get my sword tomorrow

as it is i want to do runs with my ls and the ls leader doesnt want to exclude people..

[Keftenk]

keftank you seem intent on arguing..

you will atleast admit it is ALOT easier with archers and mages?

Lol what?

So? It's "easier".

Guess you seem to have an intent on not reading...
/shrug

Regardless if it's "easier" or not, it's not required by any means to only go with Archers and Mages.