Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Because it's armor, which is designed to protect you, not make you look like a guy or a girl. I shouldn't have to make a male character to have semi sensible armor. Like, seriously the rest of the AF gear for DRG looks fine, but if the added stomach hole makes the armor look like for a girl, I don't see why you'd have an issue with just slapping the coliseum set on for glamour. If I play a tank in a game I want to play a well armored character, boy or girl. Leave the silly sets with boob windows and lots of skin showing for glamours.

If thats what you think I want, you obviously didn't actually read my post. Armor can be form fitting without showing skin. Aka High Allagan.

[Draciella]

Either i'm doing something wrong or folks are far too touchy but my experience as a tank is camera zoomed out as far as i can go and 96% rear view. So id appreciate more effort making the armour in general stand out.

[Niwashi]

Um, the entire context of this thread is a request not to modify DRK AF for female characters. That right there is why the notion that the basic form of the gear is inherently male, it's implicit in the topic of the thread. Throwing up a highly contrived point that ignores this as a response to my post, is no repsonse at all. I don't much care whether you find my argument believable or not because you've very effectively shown that you skipped the context of the discussion.

I don't think my point was contrived at all, and it fits perfectly into the context of the discussion. Indeed, my point was to some extent about the context of the discussion, or at least where the discussion has led. The OP wants her gear to look like the concept art, to not have stuff changed to be sexier, like happened with the Dragoon AF. Those who agree with her are for the most part asking for the gear of both genders to look alike (apart from adjustments to properly fit both). A number of other people dislike that idea because having both look alike, particularly for such fully covered gear, essentially removes the gender identification from the character. But everyone I've seen complain that they want to be able to tell the genders apart and have each get their own gear seem to all be asking for the female version of the set to be the one that's altered.

There are three basic possibilities: (1) Both males and females get the same set with only the adjustments necessary to fit each race and gender. (2) The males get the basic Dark Knight set as shown in that concept art, but the females get something slightly different. or (3) The females get the basic Dark Knight set as shown in that concept art, but the males get something slightly different.

#1 is is the possibility that the OP and a number of people who have agreed with her are asking for. #2 is the possibility that everyone who dislikes #1 is asking for. But if the reason is because people want the genders to appear different, isn't that equally achieved by either #2 or #3? Why aren't the people wanting the genders more distinguishable calling for the male version to be changed as much as the female? You yourself referred to option 1 as "relegating females to being smaller copies of the male form". But why is it that you would, in that case, regard them as smaller copies of the male form rather than seeing males as larger copies of the female form?

(The concept art itself is rather ambiguous about gender. The character displaying the gear has a femininely trim waistline but masculinely thick thighs. It could equally be either one.)

[TThibi]

Don't care if they're flipping nude, in fact "All Right!!" Seriously though people getting bent out of shape over a little skin I invite you to read the old comic series Red Sonja, Conan the Barbarian never complained about her Chain mail bikini armor and she didn't take much permanent damage either. It's time to grow up if you want to look like a man in a fantasy setting then roll a male character, it's cannon if you play a female in fantasy setting you're gonna show more skin. We're not all protestants with seafood lodged sideways up our rectums so stop speaking as if you speak for all of us.

[Samcaesar]

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Not everyone who plays a girl character in this game wants to be eye candy. We've progressed a good bit past Conan the Barbarian in terms of making women in fantasy settings wear sensible armor. Considering Conan started in 1932 and Red Sonja was introduced over 30 years ago we should have progressed passed that. You've got the coliseum set if you want to show some skin, let those of us who want to play a girl character and look sensible not have to worry about that.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You put a male and female next to eachother in full Allagan Armor, and I doubt you could tell which one was which, especially if they had the helmets turned on. If thats what you want for future armor, then whats the point of picking a female. Again, I point to the High allagan gear, and how its not showing skin but you can clearly tell which gender a character is. Plus its still armor, and looks exactly the same on both genders. Just, you know, adheres to the body, showing males bigger and more bulky, and showing the curves (or lack there of in a lalas case) on females.

Not everyone who plays a girl character in this game wants to be eye candy. We've progressed a good bit past Conan the Barbarian in terms of making women in fantasy settings wear sensible armor. Considering Conan started in 1932 and Red Sonja was introduced over 30 years ago we should have progressed passed that. You've got the coliseum set if you want to show some skin, let those of us who want to play a girl character and look sensible not have to worry about that.

Is it just same as male or coliseum gear with you? You keep going back to that like there's no other option. Its either bulky armor or plate bikini?

[DGladius]

For me I like differences in the armor between male and female as its more interesting. I like armor showing more skin for my female char, it's gonna work just as well as any other armor in a game. If I don't like how a piece looks I just wear a different one or use glamour.

[Samcaesar]

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Because you're not in armor all the time in the game? Heck, I play girl characters because it's more comfortable for me to play them and I like roleplaying, so when I'm in armor I want to look like I'm ready to fight, not go to the beach. What's the point of even having armor if what you're getting isn't even armor?

Well, what else do you want? Cleavage showing? Plenty of cloth gear for that. Tight cloths? Plenty of cloth options for that as well. It's armor, it's not suppose to show curves. If you want something to show curves, please go with a plethora of glamour sets that we've got. Even the High Allagan set isn't that tight and has some bulk to it. Like.. How would you even go about showing the curves unless if you want to remove what makes armor armor (IE protective plating).

Like, if you consider the DRG AF that "Middle ground" then why is there a severe lack of that "Middle ground" for men too? You know, gear that shows off their rippling abs and pecs, that's sensible and actual armor on the men?

[Felis]

There are three basic possibilities: (1) Both males and females get the same set with only the adjustments necessary to fit each race and gender. (2) The males get the basic Dark Knight set as shown in that concept art, but the females get something slightly different. or (3) The females get the basic Dark Knight set as shown in that concept art, but the males get something slightly different.

It will be #1
All the already existing tank gears look the same on both genders

And don't bring up the DRG AF. DRG is a melee damage dealer, not a tank.

[Parryacg]

Sam, follow the govenator's advice and stop whining.

The Primal of the Lalafell says; "If you wanna dress scantily clad, do it. If you want to dress fully armored, do it. If you don't like DRG AF1, dont' play DRG or use other gear."