Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Raist]

Something some of you discussing scenarios around new players accessing the new jobs need to bear a few things in mind. We don't know the details of just how the jobs will be unlocked. I recall a change on their stance in different interviews about whether they will be unlocked in 2.x or 3.0 areas. If I remember right they settled on us having to go to 3.0 areas to unlock them.

This could very well be along the lines of the TAU and all the newer job quests in XI. They sent you into areas you really didn't want to be at level 30. Even though you technically could unlock BLU at 30, part of the quest sent people to a camp that BLM's used for soloing the end of their path to 75. PUP sent you into an area with even higher level monsters where you had to be mindful of mobs you couldn't Sneak/Inv past easily (True Sight/True Hearing). WoTG did the same sort of thing, as well as SoA. It should be mentioned that to unlock the SoA jobs you found yourself in areas with level 100+ monsters--even though technically you only needed to be level 30 to access them. (note also that you started all new jobs at level 1 when the cap was 75 for TAU and WotG, but it was 99 for SoA).

Just saying...it may actually be necessary to finish MSQ (maybe hitting 51+ along the way) to unlock them for more than just SE simply trying to gate the access.

People really need to stop putting the cart before the horse.

[Nadirah]

I think you just hit the nail on the head. Most of the people griping are doing so because of their alt accounts.

I don't have an alternate account.

I have a recruited friend playing Dragoon thats going to have wait times worse than my hour's wait. And that's if the group can even clear it.

My *sole* concern are the trials.

[Raist]

I don't have an alternate account.

I have a recruited friend playing Dragoon thats going to have wait times worse than my hour's wait. And that's if the group can even clear it.

My *sole* concern are the trials.

As has already been discussed, those queue times are very likely to be dramatically reduced with the changes coming in 3.0.

[Intaki]

Why do you all feel the need to baby new players?

Because new money is exponentially more valuable to an mmo than old money. Understanding this basic financial fact, people want the game to be more accommodating to new players so that its subscriber base will grow and the developers ability to create content will grow.

[Catwho]

I don't have an alternate account.

I have a recruited friend playing Dragoon thats going to have wait times worse than my hour's wait. And that's if the group can even clear it.

My *sole* concern are the trials.

Considering I'm a tank and I just helped a group through steps of faith this morning, with 4 newbies, and we cleared it, I would not be too concerned. The old content isn't going anywhere as long as people still want to get relics for glamour.

I still plan on doing daily roulettes for a little while - provided SE doesn't lock those behind story content too....

[Cian]

Meanwhile, as said before, someone who wants to level a new job will have to do MSQ to 50, complete all of 2.5, then take a step /backwards/ to unlock the new job at 30 and do 30-50 again as the new job (very likely during FATE's) and will lose out on the benefits/enjoyment of running MSQ as their preferred main job.

leveling a new job is not taking a step back. it's leveling a new job. 30-50 won't be a fate grind unless the player wants it to be. SE has made changes to 2.0 content to make leveling much faster. changes to keep vets coming back to the lower level content. you keep presenting your argument as if new players will have to do every single thing that vets had to do and that is simply not true. They will not have to clear everything we had to clear. They will be getting double xp and and higher level gear in dungeons than we did. they will be able to do instances with less than a full pt. when 3.0 hits doing 2.0 content is looking pretty sweet compared to the way we had it. with the DF changes i know i will be hitting the 2.0 content quite a bit just for desynth items alone. so again, it's not like the suffering you present it as. and in the end, if people hate having to do the story in a FF game that much. . .this is not the game for them.

[Raist]

To expand on the portion of Eidolon's quote that Cian responded to....they can kind of sort of still run the MSQ again on their new jobs. They can view the cut scenes while on their new job from the inn, and they can redo the bulk of the fights as well--at least the ones that are available in the Duty Finder.

Just a thought that hit me when I read Cian's post.

[Nadirah]

As has already been discussed, those queue times are very likely to be dramatically reduced with the changes coming in 3.0.

I'll believe it when I see it.

*Not* very optimistic.

[Cian]

I don't have an alternate account.

I have a recruited friend playing Dragoon thats going to have wait times worse than my hour's wait. And that's if the group can even clear it.

My *sole* concern are the trials.

SE has stated that some things that were required for 2.0 players to progress in the MSQ will be taken out at 3.0. and let's actually wait and see if the implemented changes to dungeons and trials are going to lessen the wait time before we keep assuming that 3.0 will be just like 2.0.

[Raist]

I'll believe it when I see it.

*Not* very optimistic.

Just a thought... perhaps you could take some steps to help speed up the process instead of expecting everyone else to come along and open the door for you and/or your friend.

With the changes coming in 3.0... that is going to be increasingly more possible to do (can enter dungeon with partial party, and in doing so you can opt to bypass level synch...if that isn't encouraging, you have a problem the dev's can't fix for you).