Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Fyce]

You know... Im sure it has been said before but in the time it has taken for this thread to get this far, much of the MSQ could have been completed...

Actually, the vast majority of this thread consists of people talking on the behalf of others, and who already completed the MSQ ages ago anyway.
Mostly White Knights trying to defend "the poor newbies who won't be able to play their favourite emo job, the DRK, at the launch of Heavensward, but only a few days after by completing the MSQ... Q_Q".

So, in short terms, this is a thread about a few vocal White Knights protecting an even fewer part of the community made of exceptions which doesn't even exists yet.

You can be sure that almost everyone arguing here already completed the MSQ. And that's exactly why they are wasting their time on the forums, waiting for Heavensward to come.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

words

No, a true knight would be defending these sort of people all the time. We have another term for people who pretend to be nice.

[Miitan]

This thread is still going? I just finished all the popcorn in the world.

I should blame SE for getting fat...

[Mugiawara]

Can't believe people still defendin'.
Not a single argument given has been good enough, at all.
They are doing what they can to make it a breeze for newbies to get up to where we will be
and you guys are still complaining...You're complaining about something that doesn't even effect you.
We that bored?

[Coombah]

Do the story!

[Fortified]

Why are you all even still arguing? They aren't going to change it.

Y otra vez.

[kyuven]

Can't believe people still defendin'.
Not a single argument given has been good enough, at all.
They are doing what they can to make it a breeze for newbies to get up to where we will be
and you guys are still complaining...You're complaining about something that doesn't even effect you.
We that bored?

People will complain about anything forever.
If it goes against their worldview, it's worth arguing about forever to them.
Oh and all MMOs every made since the very first have an unpleasable fanbase. The more fans you have, the more they want.

[Nagrom]

Considering the fact we now know we'll have the option to go into low level content uncapped if we go in a unfilled party, anyone worried about their "new" friends can just go as a lv60 blm and curb stomp the entire lowbie dungeon circuit. Also those dungeons are going to be crawling with people leveling the three new jobs, so it isn't like they are going to be waiting long if they are just doing it the old fashioned way.

Let's be real, the majority doesn't care about new people they don't personally know, cause you scream at them like they murdered your dog if they don't hit cancel fast enough for the dungeon cutscenes. What this is really about is people with alts for whatever reason now have to do the story 2-8 times so they can get their craft, gather, or desynth mules into the new land of milk and honey. So yeah this gate won't hold rmt and player bots out forever, but damn it's going to be sweet for at least a month before they worm their way in.

[Eidolon]

Because you don't care about having to unlock winds does not mean it's not content gated behind a quest. It just does not matter to you. And the complaining going on here is not all that positive because you complainers are totally disregarding the efforts SE has made for you to progress very quickly through the MSQ.

Attempting to compare a level 30 job that is gated behind a level 50 quest is simply to an unlocking system that is akin to Winds is a little strange to me. But you are right, you are free to not like it, and I won't dismiss your claim as such. I understand if you would like to be able to fly as soon as you enter an area, because that's a spirit of exploration that I can sympathise with. However, I believe the point to stress here is such:


It is not quite the same thing. Content is not being restricted to you. It is not like the winds are locked until you complete 3.5's MSQ (Whcih is still a ways off for us), you are allowed to go to it the moment you enter zones that are appropriate for the level to go unlock the winds.

Meanwhile, as said before, someone who wants to level a new job will have to do MSQ to 50, complete all of 2.5, then take a step /backwards/ to unlock the new job at 30 and do 30-50 again as the new job (very likely during FATE's) and will lose out on the benefits/enjoyment of running MSQ as their preferred main job.

As stated before, this to me is a bad design decision and only hurts the new players. For us veterans, it's perfectly fine because - hell, we've been here and have all this done. I've done it across -both- characters already, though I have to admit doing it a second time was the most boring, mind-numbing thing ever. Heck... doing it the first time was pretty aweful too. The story only really kicks in at certain points, otherwise it's quite often the grind for me.

A quote I've got sigged on another forum is as follows: "Playing a Final Fantasy game and not watching the story is like going to Texas and not getting BBQ." (Replace TX with TN, GA, SC, NC, or your BBQ state of choice.)

Keep in mind this is a story in which our characters are put into the world. For many people, they want to see the story, but just as some people will want to see the story as an Au Ra, they will also want to see the story as an Au Ra Dark Knight, Mechanist, or Astrologian. They don't want to see a Warrior's Axe / Paladin's Shield at the time of the final battle - they want to pull out whatever weapon they chose.

I don't think that anyone can argue against FFXIV having a good story, especially for an MMORPG. It's honestly been one of the second-best RPG Storylines I've seen since I played SW:TOR (which also had a ton of busy work/filler just like this game, but when the story was good it was -great- for fans of the series.) But the way people experience and enjoy it is for neither you nor I to say. Honestly, the people arguing /against/ people having level 30 job access are the ones who seem to dismiss the story readily - they are definitely suggesting to blitz the MSQ as fast as possible to get to what some people actually want. Why encourage people to not enjoy the story at their pace?

Can't believe people still defendin'.
Not a single argument given has been good enough, at all.
They are doing what they can to make it a breeze for newbies to get up to where we will be
and you guys are still complaining...You're complaining about something that doesn't even effect you.
We that bored?

You can say not a single arguement has been given that's "good enough" but that's purely subjective, and personally, I can state right back that a single arguement hasn't been given that's "Good enough" to keep the current design.

Are we that bored? Can't speak for others, but yea. I am. lol. But I think it's also because this hits a bit personally / at home with me, as someone who's tried to recruit others to this game only to watch them get turned off by the massive grind of story at the end. So advocating for something else, even if it doesn't affect me, doesn't necessarily make it a waste of my time.

Let's be real, the majority doesn't care about new people they don't personally know, cause you scream at them like they murdered your dog if they don't hit cancel fast enough for the dungeon cutscenes.

Instantly lost all credit the moment you assume I make people skip Cutscenes. I've been one of the biggest defenders of cutscene watchers and have always supported as such, and often que'd as Tank/healer in an effort to make sure the new players have the best experience possible. You don't know the reason that people argue for something, so please try to avoid painting people with broad strokes like this.

[Raist]

Do you not understand that FATES won't be their only option for exp gain? As in dungeons and trials? You know....the same options we have now---only the exp rewards will be greater the second time around (be that SE tweaking roullete or clearance rewards at end, or the simple 50% armory bonus applied to everything they kill).