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  1. #1
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    Gramul's Avatar
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    Eisen Gramul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Higashikata View Post
    I thought this was a game, not a place for an identity crisis.
    It can be two things.
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    BreathlessTao's Avatar
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    Shuu Naranol
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    Quote Originally Posted by synesthetic View Post
    I just feel sorry for the designer. They were probably like, I made something AWESOMEthisissopretty! *___* and thought everyone would be happy too.
    Instead, they're probably hearing how it's causing trouble and has placed the game at the forefront of a hotly debated global conflict on gender, sexuality, equality, societal norms, and cows.
    To be honest, if they wanna be fair, the designer should not be in hot water. It's whoever decided that once again it was ok to gender-lock clothes for females, and making a "counterpart" of it unisex. It's not a first, but even when they did it first, there was an uproar about it. They should have learned from it, it just seems like they didn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by SakuraMidori View Post
    Yes but the op is asking the dev team to change something they don't like yes? there not just asking for more male outfits but asking the development team to make dresses for males.
    For one, we should stop assuming the dev team doesn't like males in dresses - they never commented on that issue (or did they?), so we have no way of knowing. And if jumping to conclusions is bad in one matter, I'd say it's just as bad in any other as well.
    For two, I do think OP's point is simply to show that a female dress does actually work on a male and it doesn't take much to change it (but feel free to correct me, Nozomi) - since, y'know, the reason we were given for males not getting female outfits is that it's too hard to convert. Which (apparently) does not come off as convincing at all, for many of us.



    DEAR SE, PLEASE STOP TREATING THE BLOODY FORUM AS IF IT WAS TWITTER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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    NozomiKei's Avatar
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    Nozomi Kay
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreathlessTao View Post
    For two, I do think OP's point is simply to show that a female dress does actually work on a male and it doesn't take much to change it (but feel free to correct me, Nozomi)
    That was precisely it! I wanted to show that it doesn't look atrocious on males in case just seeing that would encourage people to support equal treatment.

    To get around all of the negative debate here I'd like to give an example that isn't so fraught with the issues this one is:

    Imagine that they announced the new glamours and presented them as males get a wooden barrel to wear and females get a potato sack. Suddenly it's announced that the females can now also equip the barrel but the potato sack is still female exclusive. I happen to think that my male character would look amazing in a potato sack and feel slighted because just because I picked a male character I now have one less glamour option (plus it was one I thought I'd personally wear). This on top of the fact that just months ago they released a cardboard box for males and a trash bag for females and when both sides protested against the gender locking they made the cardboard box unisex but left the trash bag female only.

    Hopefully that hypothetical (I think that's what it's called) helps you all take a step back from the issue and see it for what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    It can be two things.
    I must have missed the "woman in man's body" option when I selected my character's gender then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Higashikata View Post
    I must have missed the "woman in man's body" option when I selected my character's gender then.
    It's just clothing.

    It's not like clothing changes your gender or sex. It's just an unwritten social contract on what we expect to be acceptable for our own time and culture. The only strength it has is people's compliance with it as it stands.
    Frankly, I don't see any rational reason why it shouldn't be at least allowed. I get there might be technical, time, and money issues that could pose as a solid detractor. But I don't quite get the fevered offence to the idea. (Though I expect a lot of it is just reactionary from the heated defense on the subject I see thrown around. Seriously, someone who's uncomfortable with something they rarely see makes them a "bigot"? That's hardly fair. It's human nature to be wary of what appears off kilter from expected standing. That's just survival instinct.)
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