New Dungeon preview : Could Omega be the final dungeon that was showed?

[Alberel]

When the theme between the allag dungeons change, also the music changes. That second music did some Dejá Vú feeling in my mind. But I don't remember in which FF and in which context I've heard this song.

I got the same feeling as well. Been trying to figure out what it sounds like and I think it's based on the FF6 battle theme. It's very different but the structure and scales are very similar.

It could just be coincidence though. I'm not actually sure if that track is the soundtrack for that final dungeon either as it continues to play throughout the boss montage at the end and looks more like it could be the new dungeon boss theme.

[Taliss]

Alberel, I have to agree that I think that song is based in FF6, but instead of the battle theme I feel it has the same structure as the Battle to the Death song... which was used for the Atma weapon fight. It just has that cadence in my mind but its sort of hard to notice since the FF6 version sounds so wild.

[Fenral]

When the theme between the allag dungeons change, also the music changes. That second music did some Dejá Vú feeling in my mind. But I don't remember in which FF and in which context I've heard this song.

Which FF? XIV. Which context? Watch the Heavensward opening FMV again.

That leitmotif plays at a few different points. While it may have some coincidental (or not) resemblance to past FF tunes, I believe we can think of it as Soken's own "main theme," not unlike the leitmotif used in ARR that culminates in the Praetorium assault theme.

I suspect that place is our final 8-man story dungeon, but how we get there from dragons and Ishgard is going to be the big question this time around.

[Alberel]

Alberel, I have to agree that I think that song is based in FF6, but instead of the battle theme I feel it has the same structure as the Battle to the Death song... which was used for the Atma weapon fight. It just has that cadence in my mind but its sort of hard to notice since the FF6 version sounds so wild.

Oh wow, you're right! That is a much closer match! In fact the melodies are almost identical at certain points.

Which FF? XIV. Which context? Watch the Heavensward opening FMV again.

That leitmotif plays at a few different points. While it may have some coincidental (or not) resemblance to past FF tunes, I believe we can think of it as Soken's own "main theme," not unlike the leitmotif used in ARR that culminates in the Praetorium assault theme.

I suspect that place is our final 8-man story dungeon, but how we get there from dragons and Ishgard is going to be the big question this time around.

That last dungeon is almost certainly a part of the Floating Continent from FF6. We've also had concept art confirming the existence of the Warring Triad on the island somewhere as well. Given that all the Crystal Tower quests and locations used tracks from FF3 it is almost expected that a location based on FF6 will use some musical inspiration from the game as well.

This is the track that Taliss was referring to above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH40gYZhwWI

And this is the final dungeon track from the new trailer: https://youtu.be/YGcvnNOe34k?t=5m42s

I find it hard to believe the obvious similarities are pure coincidence on Soken's part.

[Frederick22]

Oh wow, you're right! That is a much closer match! In fact the melodies are almost identical at certain points.



That last dungeon is almost certainly a part of the Floating Continent from FF6. We've also had concept art confirming the existence of the Warring Triad on the island somewhere as well. Given that all the Crystal Tower quests and locations used tracks from FF3 it is almost expected that a location based on FF6 will use some musical inspiration from the game as well.

This is the track that Taliss was referring to above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH40gYZhwWI

And this is the final dungeon track from the new trailer: https://youtu.be/YGcvnNOe34k?t=5m42s

I find it hard to believe the obvious similarities are pure coincidence on Soken's part.

The first one of the 2 last dungeons I have to said that is from the floating continent, but im quite no so sure with the second one

[Fenral]

I find it hard to believe the obvious similarities are pure coincidence on Soken's part.

Because it's Soken, (rather, arranger Yoshitaka Suzuki) I could believe it's a coincidence, or at least unintentional.

Final Fantasy XIV: ARR - The Corpse Hall

The Last Story - Order and Chaos

This happens in the industry all the time. Probably intentional this time, though. Probably. The latter part is definitely original, but that intro is very FF6.

[Taliss]

Also of note with the FF6 references... Did anyone else think that the first of those allagan dungeons (with all the winged ixal) might have been the FFXIV allusion to the FF6 magitek research facility? With Garleans taking that Gestahlian Empire feel anyways. Maybe those ixal could even be children of the great Valigarmanda / Tritoch that gets the whole of FF6 started? ideas.. ideas...

[NoloeTazier]

I believe the Allagan structures we will visit in the 'Sky' will be the home of the Allagans AFTER Fourth Umbral Era. The Crystal Tower caused Earthquakes, perhaps Eorzea was highly unstable and barely livable so the last remaining Allagans (we are told there were survivors) fled to Sky so they could live. With the knowledge of Dalamud on their minds and in their scientific know-how they probably sought a way to balance things or continue the Allagan 'success' with another Dalamud-esque structure.

Having said that I think its safe to assume the Allagans would not have stopped at Ultima and Omega Weapons so Atma Weapon is entirely possible and expected.

[Fenral]

I believe the Allagan structures we will visit in the 'Sky' will be the home of the Allagans AFTER Fourth Umbral Era. The Crystal Tower caused Earthquakes, perhaps Eorzea was highly unstable and barely livable so the last remaining Allagans (we are told there were survivors) fled to Sky so they could live. With the knowledge of Dalamud on their minds and in their scientific know-how they probably sought a way to balance things or continue the Allagan 'success' with another Dalamud-esque structure.

Perhaps they even had some way to link the Crystal Tower to their Floating Continent, and the survivors' real motivations in arranging its restoration had to do with powering the Floating Continent again to some misguided but well-meant purpose. I suppose that could easily just be me wanting to see that entire story mercilessly deconstructed, but Dalamud was still fully-operational when they made that "wish," so who knows?

[Balipu]

Alberel, I have to agree that I think that song is based in FF6, but instead of the battle theme I feel it has the same structure as the Battle to the Death song

You need to pay attention to hear it, but it really sounds like the Atma weapon battle song. It maybe suggest something.

Which FF? XIV. Which context? Watch the Heavensward opening FMV again.

I was about to type no no no, the cinematic music comes up in the snowcloak like dungeon, but after listening to it carefully I noticed that it really does sounds like the part played when the fluffy white dragon attacks derplander on the bridge. The one from the first dungeon is reused more often. What I found odd is that this so far unnamed Soken theme seems to play the same role Answers played in ARR (featured in the cinematics, remixed all the time for different places) even though the actual main theme is Dragonsong by Uematsu.

By the way since we are starting to move the discussion to the music I'd recommend talking about the music here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...54#post2982754

I made a dedicated thread as there were none so far.