Why punish players who just want to play DoL DoH?

[HakuroDK]

I must admit, reading some of the comments to this, it really shows how little of an imagination the community has in terms of potential workarounds for this.

I mean seriously, think about it. Crafters and gatherers could be critical to Ishgard.

"The Dragon Killers were destroyed! We need parts to repair thesm ASAP!" *crafter provides these parts, crafted similarly to Ixali Beast Tribe quests* "The Dragon Killers are working again! Thank you, Warrior of Light!"

"We need these materials to rebuild the Steps after the battle before the next wave of dragons attack!" *gatherer goes out and gathers the necessary materials* "These materials have proven invaluable to the reconstruction of the steps! Thank you!"

I mean jfc, how in the hell did Cid set up his workshop in Ishgard from Mor Dhona without participating in Steps of Faith?

One-track minds, the lot of you.

[Allistar]

Sandbox RPGs allow you carve out a niche for yourself, and role play your character the way you want them to be. You can be a mighty warrior, or a humble farmer, or anywhere inbetween. You need to find one of those games, because this is not a Sandbox RPG, nor does it advertise itself as one. This is a theme-park MMO, and you're along for the ride. It's not going to cater to every style of play.

Honestly if you don't care about story, you can skip all the cutscenes, and probably be completely caught up in a couple of days.

Actually as a theme park MMO it should cater to all types of players and game play...theme parks have something for everyone that visits...go visit disney world or universal studios and tell me you didn't have fun doing something as an adult.

[Caraway]

I don't remember ever seeing this. There were some pieces of 110 crafted gear that were slightly higher damage than 130 when pentamelded, at a cost to HP (dangerous for progression).

The 110 crafted accessories let you sacrifice a little damage for a lot of HP and were OP vs the 130 accessories, but came out a full minor patch after the 130 gear/FCoB.

The fact that there are still some i110 items that are BiS is testament to the fact that they were not thought out properly when designed. So I get why they don't want to build items like that again. Unfortunately I can't find the interview where Yoshi mentioned that round of gear specifically, but there is a thread here on the forums where he talks about crafting gear playing second fiddle to dungeon gear (the What's The Point of Crafting thread).

tbh, I'm very happy about this as I think it will cut out a large portion of why people buy gil. If they don't need to spend 30 mil for bis, a lot who would buy gil, won't. Means less spam in my book.

I think the whole 'RMT' concern portion is a bit silly myself. It's basically the MMO version of "Think of the children" in politics.

There are ways to involve crafters with end-game equipment that would completely shut out RMT.

I guess I am just used to games where the best of the best end-game items required the work of all spheres of play to make. You needed to dungeon run to get materials, and you needed high level crafters to put it together.

I think something like that would make a great addition to this games' issues with drops at end-game. Viable horizontal progression paths are a good thing, especially if it helps shore up itemization or drop luck (lack thereof).

[Allistar]

Folks, what do you find so annoying in the OP's request?

What would be so obnoxious for you if other people were able to play the game just by crafting? Would it impair your game?

It seems too many people find their most fun in keeping other people from having fun. :P

Sadly I don't think any of the naysayers will get it...to them its all about fight, fight, fight save the world with our big and shinies. (they remind me of the age old adversaries new money vs old money). An mmorpg is a fully engaged and complete experience where you can do anything in the games evolving world, everything takes time and you don't have to do everything if you don't want but still get to enjoy the game. Everything now is go to point A click, go to point B click = YOU WIN!!!
Shame how we've lost our way.

[Foomerang]

Hey folks, like I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from your experience as an adventurer. I'm not asking for special content in addition to what the devs have already given. I'd just like to be able to experience the new DoL DoH content by doing exactly that. I've been a full time botanist as soon as I was allowed to. I was looking forward to being able to do that in the expansion without having to take my GLD through a hundred more quests and get outfitted in ilvl90 gear.

In other mmos, a new expansion simply required a level to be reached and then a few introductory quests to the new area and story. If a new player bought the game it would be hundreds of quests before they were allowed access. That is very different from just getting a character to 50.

[Dererk]

I disagree, its an excuse that was used for the whole freindlist crap and look what has happened with that, we can't share items across our accounts, but, we get daily spams of friends request from the rmt...so lockouts like this that punish legitimate players do not work.

blocking the new areas from them helps combat them its like the great wall of china yes its a defense is it perfect no but still a defense.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Sadly I don't think any of the naysayers will get it...to them its all about fight, fight, fight save the world with our big and shinies. (they remind me of the age old adversaries new money vs old money). An mmorpg is a fully engaged and complete experience where you can do anything in the games evolving world, everything takes time and you don't have to do everything if you don't want but still get to enjoy the game. Everything now is go to point A click, go to point B click = YOU WIN!!!
Shame how we've lost our way.

I think the "naysayers" are actually trying to explain why things are the way they are and how some things couldn't work while you're the one who assumes anyone that disagrees just blindly likes to kill things.

Also, don't think an MMO lets you "do whatever you want". The devs are going to let you play the game the way they want you to

[Dererk]

Hey folks, like I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from your experience as an adventurer. I'm not asking for special content in addition to what the devs have already given. I'd just like to be able to experience the new DoL DoH content by doing exactly that. I've been a full time botanist as soon as I was allowed to. I was looking forward to being able to do that in the expansion without having to take my GLD through a hundred more quests and get outfitted in ilvl90 gear.

In other mmos, a new expansion simply required a level to be reached and then a few introductory quests to the new area and story. If a new player bought the game it would be hundreds of quests before they were allowed access. That is very different from just getting a character to 50.

I understand this I do but for them to add this now would just delay the expansion more it was supposed to be out this month original but was pushed back to fine tune it you had way over a month to get that stuff done they told us it would need main story finished instead of complaining about this get the story finished yes most of the quests are boring but you had over a month notice that they would be needed for this.

[Lemuria]

Hey folks, like I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from your experience as an adventurer. I'm not asking for special content in addition to what the devs have already given. I'd just like to be able to experience the new DoL DoH content by doing exactly that. I've been a full time botanist as soon as I was allowed to. I was looking forward to being able to do that in the expansion without having to take my GLD through a hundred more quests and get outfitted in ilvl90 gear.

Well, none of that is being taken away from you, but... do you really expect to get much out of the expansion when it's central focus are Disciples of War? You can still craft, still gather and still do whatever it is you do. You just can't do it in Ishgard. And what would be the point anyway? There's no information so far on whether or not there will be new gathering points in Ishgard, and the crafting aspect will be the same no matter where you are in the world.

Crafting already relies on combat classes. There are materials you can only obtain through combat, such as Potash or Animal Fats, and yet rarer materials traded for soldiery and poetics tomes. You can buy them, but it still relies on SOMEONE getting the materials on your behalf. Furthermore, most of the materia you use for crafters and gatherers is earned through combat, like as not. It's far quicker to slap on some crafting gear and kill enemies for a bit than to sit through hundreds of individual (high level) crafts at great expense just for a handful of materia which may not even be what you need.

No one is saying you can't play the game the way you want to, but at least see it for what it is. Combat is always going to be forefront of any decisions made. Crafting has been neglected ever since ARR launched.

[Foomerang]

I understand this I do but for them to add this now would just delay the expansion more it was supposed to be out this month original but was pushed back to fine tune it you had way over a month to get that stuff done they told us it would need main story finished instead of complaining about this get the story finished yes most of the quests are boring but you had over a month notice that they would be needed for this.

They should've had this as a requirement to buy the expansion tbh. I am trudging through it. Looking forward to when I can get back to doing what I enjoy. At least until I get forced through more hoops heh.