The whole Summoner "has been re-worked" is sad

[Samcaesar]

Snip.

You know, I'm not exactly so sure, but considering his relevance to the plot and his connection with finding the Scions, I'd have to believe he would have.

Then why not use that even more minute fraction to possess us and allow him to use Akh Morn and all? We ultimately don't know percentages of how much Bahamut juice we've got so it's kind of a silly argument :P I'm not too sure if they could temper us from 'within' though, it's really all about having a solid ground for your essence to latch onto and prevent from being swallowed up by the Primal's, which we have due to our connection with Hydaelyn/Midgard.

[Bracken]

SE should bring in elemental weakness and rework both blm and smn to fit in with it, it would allow for all the Egi's to be available and viable for situations, the "problem" with this game is its just hit hard and fast, there for eliminating the need to have individual summons for any other purpose. why would we need 8 summons for elements when we can do it with 3? without the need for elemental weakness. because its variety and also can be used more effectively.

Imagine going to snowcloak peak knowing its Blizzards and ice, all the mobs there are ice based, so Ifrit would be best viable to use with this a bonus for using the correct Egi and some better moves "I.E with this stacking thats coming" to make better Damage Dealing (so get some stacks and use hellfire on a boss that does some decent damage and adds a dot which can be used with our fester but is limited to the stacking thus making it something to work towards.)

[Akiza]

The Summoner art is a lost art that recently got rediscovered so information on summoning is incomplete at best. Ysayle has a more knowledge of Summoning than Y'mhitra that's why she is able to summon Shiva by transforming into her. It does seem like npc characters have different knowledge of the Summoner arts than the pc so they can summon primals on a whim. Currently we are a baby Summoner just learning the art and in Heavensward we will hit puberty in the Summoning art and that's how we gain the power of the Elder Primal Bahamut.

[Valoiz]

The Summoner art is a lost art that recently got rediscovered so information on summoning is incomplete at best. Ysayle has a more knowledge of Summoning than Y'mhitra that's why she is able to summon Shiva by transforming into her. It does seem like npc characters have different knowledge of the Summoner arts than the pc so they can summon primals on a whim. Currently we are a baby Summoner just learning the art and in Heavensward we will hit puberty in the Summoning art and that's how we gain the power of the Elder Primal Bahamut.

Oh.. thats why we summon Ifrit fetus, a chicken nugget and a green dumb Pterodactylus who does minimun dps compare to us... and now we will trow a stupid pillar of light nuke stole from an enemy like freaking blue mages... after having an amorf blue thing over our head...

Our chars really suck as SMN then

[Lemuria]

Currently we are a baby Summoner just learning the art and in Heavensward we will hit puberty in the Summoning art and that's how we gain the power of the Elder Primal Bahamut.

I really like this analogy. Puberty is that awkward time of your life where you're not quite sure who or what you are yet and everything is against you. Sounds very much like Summoner to be honest.

I still don't buy into this whole Bahamut nonsense. If we can summon a weak version of Garuda, then why would Bahamut be any different? It's been stated numerous times that a primals strength in Eorzea is based on the crystals used to summon them. We're not tapping into their current strength, but using their essence. This explains why we can summon Garuda, Titan and Ifrit even once the primals themselves are vanquished. Or even use the Egi's against their own primal forms.

It's probably safe to say that the essence of Garuda, Titan and Ifrit is far more powerful than any primal we've ever faced in Eorzea and likely equal to Bahamut's primal essence. Bahamut draws strength mostly from the dragon he once was and the captive dragons maintaining his Primal form. Take that away and he's just another Shiva or Ifrit.

At any rate, none of this changes the fact that ultimately what Summoner's are getting out of 3.0 is a single nuke. Call it Megaflare, call it Ank Morn, call it Burst for all I care, it's still just a single nuke, one which requires charges just to use. The 'Bahamut' connection might be enough to sway those who are only interested in names and lore, but I'm more concerned with how the job actually plays. Right now all I'm seeing is a huge disappointment and a complete disregard for the issues which currrently plague the job.

[AdamFyi]

I still don't buy into this whole Bahamut nonsense. If we can summon a weak version of Garuda, then why would Bahamut be any different?

Wait for the expansion, then make your decisions once you read the quest text and find out the reason why it's like that.

At any rate, none of this changes the fact that ultimately what Summoner's are getting out of 3.0 is a single nuke.

Wait for the expansion, then make your decisions once you play around with all the new skills (even the ones that they didn't show).

[RiceisNice]

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You forgot Tri-Disaster.

The Allagans (which is more-or-less what the summoner arts are from) pretty much subdued The entire Island of Mercydia, one shotted Bahamut (and apparently Odin...), and found a way to utilize Primal essences for their own purposes. I don't see how it's a huge leap, if not unreasonable, for something like Dreadwyrm trance to be usable.

You summoners are all playing a dangerous game trying to utilize Allagan techniques...it is beyond human reckoning!

[SDaemon]

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More than BLM and SMN would need to be reworked to fit with an elemental weakness system. WHM, SCH, NIN etc they all have access to spells that have elemental attributes.

[thunderbreak]

Fixing Summoners shouldnt be hard.

Actually I think fixing summoner is gonna be pretty hard. They fucked up with summoner so bad they'll have to pretty much re-make the job if they are going to make it even close to what we have in mind in terms of summoner.

[SDaemon]

to what we have in mind in terms of summoner.

We can argue/discuss/ask for tweaks, additions or whatever, but SMN is SE's to portray how they want in their game.