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  1. #21
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    KaedrianLiang's Avatar
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    Kaedrian Kaeng
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    This request has more potential for detrimental outcomes than beneficial. Simply because there are far more incidents of vote abuse.

    It's a double edge sword with the unfavorable side with the sharper edge.
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    Last edited by KaedrianLiang; 05-14-2015 at 11:48 PM.

  2. #22
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    Erin Grey
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaedrianLiang View Post
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    I'm sure there are numerous ways they could allow this and reduce the amount of vote kick abuse going on.

    Actually enforcing the claim that vote kick abuse is punishable would be a start. I'm sure they could come up with some things to change the system for the better too.

    Right now, plenty of people get away with vote kick abuse and with abusing the in-progress joining feature as a griefing tool. Fixing one won't necessarily make the other get much worse. It's best that they figure out a way to improve both.

    Locking people out from the duty they're kicked from when they're kicked would solve the tanks griefing problem. I can think of many ways that would improve the vote kick abuse problem, namely what I mentioned first: SE enforcing it being a punishable offense.

    The fact that both persist shows that the current system is not working.

    I actually do not know of any other game that allows someone kicked to rejoin come to think of it. As someone stated earlier, it's against the whole point of vote kicking to allow someone to just rejoin again.

    Edit: And as I mentioned before. If you're being kicked and your intentions are not bad, it's probably best that you don't return to the duty you were kicked from anyways. Unless you go in and start a kick and get the other person to support you if there is another non-premade party person in with you, the people kicking you wrongfully will likely not be leaving and it's best to not waste your time with them any further.
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    Last edited by Adire; 05-15-2015 at 12:03 AM.

  3. #23
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    ShaneDawn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    I still think kicked players should not be allowed to return though. Wrongful kicks are one thing, but one griefer having the ability to hold up 3 people for as long as they like is a much bigger problem.
    Step 1.) Kick the griefer
    Step 2.) Refresh. Shit it's the same griefer again? Kick.
    Step 3.) Wait or progress without one player for a few minutes. Don't start refreshing immediatly. After a min or two, refresh. The griefer will already be in another party, and you got yourself a new, shiny party member. gg.

    I do agree that having griefers suck and you shouldn't be able to rejoin an instance you got kicked out from. Just pointing out there is a way to prevent it.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneDawn View Post
    Step 1.) Kick the griefer
    Step 2.) Refresh. Shit it's the same griefer again? Kick.
    Step 3.) Wait or progress without one player for a few minutes. Don't start refreshing immediatly. After a min or two, refresh. The griefer will already be in another party, and you got yourself a new, shiny party member. gg.

    I do agree that having griefers suck and you shouldn't be able to rejoin an instance you got kicked out from. Just pointing out there is a way to prevent it.
    Ppl too dumb/ ( party leader too dumb ) too understand that there is an option to refresh missing roles.
    Maybe thats y griefers grief them lol its so tempting. If ur not host just ask them to wait on refreshing, its not hard to type that in the chat.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordHadi View Post
    Because I got kicked once as a PLD by two members that joined together. Joined in again and they both left and I had no problem at all with the new healer.. So I'm glad I joined again, makes it fair for me.

    and no i'm not trolling.
    From what I've personally seen this example is more the exception than the rule.
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  6. #26
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    Miyu20's Avatar
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    Akiko Viridian
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    I wouldn't like this as queues for low level dungeons are ridiculously long and sometimes I forget to repair my gear, and I appreciate the fact that I can be kicked out and then re-queue into the same dungeon almost 100% of the time. This would mean that the three other people would have to do a whole queue again in order to go into the dungeon because one person has to repair. I'm glad that the other three are not being punished but in your suggestion, they would be.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuathaa View Post
    Coming from a pure dps perspective and having been trolled by tanks for watching cutscenes while leveling and for asking clarifications on mechanics I not only support this but would go even further to say if your kicked you get a 30min time out.
    No. That's an awful idea. Not all kicks are justified. Being kicked from an instance because someone wanted their buddy to join before the last boss isn't grounds for giving the kicked person a 30 minute penalty. I'll agree with the OP, however, that a person that's kicked shouldn't be able to rejoin the same group that they were just dismissed from. I've been trolled a few times by people rejoining just to waste our time and our vote kicks.
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    Jose Phine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    Please make it so that people who get kicked cannot return to the duty they were kicked from.

    Tired of insta-queuing griefer tanks joining back in to grief.

    Thank you.
    I told Yoshida directly about this in April 2014 during FFXIV PS4 Event in Paris. I thought it was fixed...
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    Ramen Denkeim
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    tell you a funny story:

    long time ago, there were a group of people joined in ST. One of them trolling, early pull. one of them always AFK (healer), dying all the time. So, I (healer) did point the AFK person out (at least the trolling person was fighting) in PT chat. Before Amon, the vote kick option poped in my screen. I solo healed all the way, of course I hit yes. The AFK person surprisingly got kicked out. We were 7 pp waiting on 1 more healer. In the meantime, The trolling-early pull person, and the other ppl keeps cursing me with all bad words. When we just got 8th person, my screen went black... I got kicked!
    I was shocked and not sure what happened. I just decided to requene after like 1-2 mins. I just happened to join back to the exact team.

    Now! they already inside Amon and I was locked out. I have time to screen each players inside the team. It happened to be 4 of them were from the same FC same server. So, that's why they were like fearless and trolling all the time (if you really go dig who you are party with, you can see the pre-grouped ppl tend to troll.) So, I wrote a long support letter to GM with everything in chat who pulled what boss early then run out, did what cause how many ppl died/wipe while 3 of these ppl didn't do anything but just stood there and cursed me in party chat. I just told them, "I didn't initiate the vote kick. Don't worry, I'm reporting to GM, and hopes there will be justice..."

    all 3 of them left after Amon.

    so... still will be good thing for the rejoin thing.
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    Last edited by Ramen; 05-15-2015 at 07:55 AM.

  11. #30
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Legitimate reason. Someone doesnt like you, and like cattle, the vote passes to kick you. right before the WoD boss. Or whatever. Does it matter? They earned their spot, they are participating, why not just finish the duty if they return? Or ask another player to vote the next time because they are harassing.

    Just because you don't like people exploiting the reverse doesn't mean that people won't exploit vote kick just as often.
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