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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
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    That might work with Haurchefant but good luck convincing the rest of Ishgard :P Seeing as how they didn't believe that the Inquisitor was a fake til the guy straight up told them that they were and turned into a dragon temporarily.
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    I know its been brought up before, maybe in this thread as well but I rather not go through 47 pages trying to find it, but the Odin minion specifically mentions that his blade is of Auri origin. Even if they make rare appearances in the main city-states they are still known to exist and probably wouldn't need most NPC dialouge to be changed. Really if they were I'd wonder why Duskwight WoL aren't more distrusted by people who aren't aware of their status upon first seeing them (note I haven't played one yet so if they actually are it leads a bit more to people being surprised by Au Ra, or rather not being so, needing to be a suspension of disbelief.)

    Most certainly Yugiri is the one who SHOULD be getting a dialouge change since she ended up not having something like a giant scar on her face, though its always possible she'll bring up some sorta Doman custom or the like, or just say that while an Auri WoL is accepted, it doesn't neccessarily mean all Auri would (again, Duskwights already seem to have this going on with em).

    As for atleast Coerthas: Once you have Haurchefant's trust he's pretty much your biggest fan boy and would probably vouch for you. Its getting to that point that may be a problem, though seeing as how we'll be able to go freely into Coer and Ishgard it ultimately won't be a problem probably.
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  3. #473
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samcaesar View Post
    That might work with Haurchefant but good luck convincing the rest of Ishgard :P Seeing as how they didn't believe that the Inquisitor was a fake til the guy straight up told them that they were and turned into a dragon temporarily.
    Uh, I think he WAS a dragon. (Or at least one crafty mage) because we found the REAL inquisitor's corpse. So this guy wasn't "Easily Trusted" he was pretending to be a high ranking and well respected member of the Church, Even a lot of NPCs mentioned him not acting right. I guarantee that if I used sorcery to turn myself into the Emperor of Garlemald after I killed him that no one would dare ask any questions if I said do something. I know that Ishguardians are Zealots of the highest order but come on, they aren't completely stupid. Even they realised they'd been had by the fake inquisitor after we convinced them to start asking questions. I highly doubt in a land of Cat People, Ageless Midgets, and Mobile Plants with a taste for human flesh, that a person with horns and a few scales here and there would automatically make an educated society like Ishguard go "By Halone's Girdle!! It's a Dragon Man/Woman! Get the torches!!"
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    The Inquisitor imposter was a heritic who, like some of the heritics you fight in Stone Vigil HM and Snowcloack, can use magicks to transforms themselves into dragons. I believe it is actually glamour magic and only temporary which (for gameplay's sake if nothing else) is long enough to fight and be defeated by the player. Also he did fool them for atleast a good while and got many innocents killed in the process so it was good enough for what he was out for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
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    Why wouldn't people distrust duskwights? I'm not too knowledgeable about the racial lore so I'm a bit curious. And even then, that was over a 1000+ years ago, which to mean means that the Auri that Odin fought was probably an extremely rare occurance and the Auri in question was probably clad in armor and not scene by many if anyone.

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    The issue is that the Ishgardians in Dragonhead trusted that guy enough to send several people, including some guy who's family was loyal to Ishgard for generations, to their death. They're pretty paranoid and devout people, for all they know, people who look like dragons might as well be those damn Dravanians trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    I highly doubt in a land of Cat People, Ageless Midgets, and Mobile Plants with a taste for human flesh, that a person with horns and a few scales here and there would automatically make an educated society like Ishguard go "By Halone's Girdle!! It's a Dragon Man/Woman! Get the torches!!"
    Leafy Sea Dragons
    Also it was a little unclear on if the inquisitor was a dragon or not, part of the story made it sound like he was a dragon disguised as a person but then during the fight your helpers call it a trick, so I am guessing he was a heritic using a glamor.

    He also points out that he was able to kill hundreds.. though that sounds excessive (would have to watch the cutscene) using Ishgards paranoia about dragons and heritics, and overall unwillingness to go against the Inquisition about matters no matter how unbelievable.. I can only guess that if they don't introduce it in the story we are expected to believe my Ishgard scholar story from awhile back where it was already explained to them.

    Also I am not a midget T^T I'm vertically challenged
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    I think we can go back to the point that though they have horns they are unlikely to be anything like the Ishgardians have seen from the Dravanians before and if they prove themselves enemies of the Dragons they are less likely to care. The Ishgardians are paranoid towards anyone who isn't from Ishgard. The most zealot of the lot probably see all outsiders as heretics anyway.

    More to the point, while the WoL is heading to Ishgard for shelter, Ishgard is pretty desperately in need of aid and aren't quite in the position to be turning away help at this point. There defences are all but striped away and even holding that forced them to rely on sellswords and adventurers. Its hardly like that one battle has won the war for Ishgard. It won one battle but at the cost of much of its defences. The dragons are still on the offensive since Ishgard has been forced to pull almost all its forces back inside Ishgard to protect the city.
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    The horns are questionable yes, but we have knowledge that dragons can adapt to basically any environment, and to the paranoid Ishgardians, who took simple accusation or just a box of heretic charms as proof of herecy, looking like a dragon might as well be the next trick Dravania has up its sleeves.

    It's really more a test of Ishgards faith, I mean I'd be curious if we see more of a case of "Wolves in sheeps clothing" in the expansion due to how desperate Ishgard is. And further how the story will develop in concerns to our position within the Dragonsong war. Like how on earth is Ishgard going to react to us with a little Dragon asshole floating around us claiming to be Midgardsormr? I'd figure that'd mean ourselves would become quite familiar with the bottom of a ravine quite quickly, unless if Midgard hides himself for the full time we spend in Ishgard, which I don't see happening.
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    Considering no one else has commented on him I suspect that Lil' Mid can only be seen by us and perhaps other people with gifts like the echo or who are dragons. He has popped out in the company of others before and spoken. I imagine he is quite likely like how the Ascians are. They are there but unless you have the gift you cant see them unless they want to be seen.
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    Good point! Though, it must look extremely odd Midgard is talking and we're just sort of staring off into space. I got to wonder if Midgard will ever reveal himself to any Ishgardians then, maybe if he dislikes how we're working with them or something?
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