AH info lost in the sauce?

[GabbaGabba]

It's pretty clear they're trying to sweep the issue under a rug like nobody would notice. The first thing N. Yoshida did was wooing players by saying if AH is what people want we'll need to put it in. That was over 6 months ago.
They have implemented numerous things that got lower amount of votes than the AH did (over 20%) but still no AH in the game. Just a broken MW that sucks a lot of dev time because the zoning( that nobody likes) crashes the game when it can't handle drawing of 100 dead zombies. When it doesn't crash it can only draw a small fraction of the copy-pasted hi-res models that is neither fast, realistic nor fun.


AH was voted by the players in the poll! AH polls have been happening on these forums from the day the forums were launched. AH has always been voted the better option by a landslide. Always.

All MW needs is price histories and shopping via search menu to accomplish this. Why are they messing with little things like recipes when there is a massive elephant in the room preventing proper economy?

iirc, people wanted to fix the MW rather than add an AH. and tbh, its fixed. i havent heard one instance of someone wanting something and not being able to get it if its available.

some people, like me, would rather walk into a room filled with zombies then stare at a wall all day (AH). and even if they did add an AH, people will complain about how slowly it loads the items and how easily it can be for other people to undercut ur items, running back and forth to ur moghouse to grab ur items u couldn't sell and constantly putting up the items cause its being undercutted so much; zoning in and out of your moghouse just to get to ur mailbox. oh wait, wrong game, you get the picture.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Btw, remember AH fall under "We need to fix the server-side issues first", like delivery and mail. No fix, no AH. Deal with it

[neizero]

This has been in the game from day zero

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...2-39-09-58.jpg

clearly their intention is to add AH at some point.

[Nixius]

i havent heard one instance of someone wanting something and not being able to get it if its available.

What does this mean? Sorry if I am being dense. How can someone not be able to get something if it is available =D?

People in general though need to stop being so pedantic with the naming of things, we all know what is meant by an auction house. Also SE can't realistically come along and get the wrong idea, because SE made FFXI which has an Auction House with no actual bidding.

I am all for an 'Auction House' FFXI style system, as suggested it could run separately from the market wards and turn the MW into 'Rolanberry bazaars' instead for people looking for a bargain/avoid heavy tax etc.

If they go down the route of MarketWards only then they need to be improved, faster, less menus and areas, buy from menu, some kind of history.

/endTwoCents

[Seif]

What does this mean? Sorry if I am being dense. How can someone not be able to get something if it is available =D?

People in general though need to stop being so pedantic with the naming of things, we all know what is meant by an auction house. Also SE can't realistically come along and get the wrong idea, because SE made FFXI which has an Auction House with no actual bidding.

I am all for an 'Auction House' FFXI style system, as suggested it could run separately from the market wards and turn the MW into 'Rolanberry bazaars' instead for people looking for a bargain/avoid heavy tax etc.

If they go down the route of MarketWards only then they need to be improved, faster, less menus and areas, buy from menu, some kind of history.

/endTwoCents

I agree MW is only 2 steps away from being an AH anyway.
People think it's completely turning the system upside down. The server side problems are pretty much unrepairable because nowhere in the game is the engine able to display that number of other player characters on screen at once.

Even when the wards don't crash you'll still be able to see only a handful of the retainers currently in the wards until you take a step to load another set of retainers.

tl;dr: AH is just a name people use for the functionality to view price histories and buy from the menu. It's not something completely different that would take months of dev-time.

[twinkles]

I would be fine with keeping "wards" if...

1. Allow players to see all items of a certain type, not just the 20 cheapest. Many times there are more than 20 items of "thousand needles" for example, i personally want to be able to see all those items.
2. Display the quality of an item. Especially since we cannot see past the 20 cheapest items, finding HQ gear becomes a problem.
3. Link all the city wards together, or at least show us what the other cities are selling.

I agree with the fact that what most people are requesting is not a true AH, most people are thinking of the WOW style AH. A wow style AH for those not familiar with the game was very convenient, buy outs were pretty much the norm, and all cities were linked.

If the above three points were solved i would be fine with the annoyance of having to actually run from ward to ward. But keep in mind it is an annoyance, and do we really need more unnecessary UI hoop jumping...

Would you like to publish this post y/n... animating publish.... communicating with forum server..... forum topic is too far below you...

[Davorok]

=Nixius;294633People in general though need to stop being so pedantic with the naming of things, we all know what is meant by an auction house. Also SE can't realistically come along and get the wrong idea, because SE made FFXI which has an Auction House with no actual bidding.

I find it amusing that many peeps say "...no FFXI style AH...". You mean the one where you set your selling price and if someone payed that price they got the item? There never was any bidding other than you could "offer" less than the price history and occasionally get the item for a cheaper price, but only because someone "listed" it at that price. Then the lower priced item would show up in the history.

I've never understood why some think FFXI's AH was so bad. My suspicion has always been that it is peeps that don't like their prices getting undercut, but that's just too bad because that is how free economies work...competition + supply & demand. Besides with the MW all you have to do is "search" the item you want to sell to see the prices and then just sell it for less.

Anyway, sorry for the derail cuz I am fine with the Market Wards as long as they dump the retainers and just treat each ward as an FFXI Style AH/Market (meaning just click on one of the counters inside the wards and you get a list of available items...simple and no crashing due to overcrowding.

Let people use their retainers like an open world bazaar at Hamlets (would add a little life to those Dead Zones).

[Cairdeas]

because SE made FFXI which has an Auction House with no actual bidding.

FFXI's Auction House uses a system called a "Blind Auction" The price for the item is set before hand and users BID on it until they hit the Price set. If they can't find that price on their own they might over shoot the price to get it.

Most of us don't want that again. It was time consuming and resulted in major RMT manipulation.

I've never understood why some think FFXI's AH was so bad.

Because 5 People could completely ruin the Economy for a specific item.

I'll give you an example.

Leaping Boots were a heavily sought after item. They were useful from level 7 up till about level 60 sometimes higher for some Thieves.

Because of its long usage range its price fluctated on its own based on Supply and Demand.

Until RMT's joined the fray. Suddenly all the stock on the AH would get bought up at its lowest possible price (Lets say 200k because thats kinda what I remember it being.)
You would see the stock of these boots just disappear for a month all of them being instantly bought for about 200k. Suddenly you'll see the stock shoot up to 7 or 8 in Inventory after having been completely dry for weeks. But if you tried to buy them you wouldn't get them for 200k. And if you kept your eye on the price history suddenly the person Selling it would be selling it to someone else for about 800k. But the Seller would always be the same. Then... Suddenly the Seller would change... To one of the other original buyers.... So suddenly the sellers repeating at the same price of 800k.

So now the Price LOOKS like its 800k because the last 10 sells are for that high, When the average price was really 200k. They were doing this for YEARS and no one realized it until FFXIAH.com came around and kept logs of the transactions longer then 10 sells.

[Chain]

Whenever I invite some friends to play, I hate to even start to explain the MW system. I feel foolish trying to justify it, after I told them it was an awesome game. Most of them coming from other games with polished AH etc. How on earth do you expect someone to come to this game and settle for second best?

The only way it'll ever be right is if they combine the search and teleport to all 3 city states along with full history on all items. (this includes items that people are not currently selling).

What happens when and if (this is a huge IF) PS3 release takes off and increases the server population 1/3+? The MWs are already crammed full. It was a fun concept on paper, in reality it's not working.

Also, please make putting items in your bazaar for max gil just to keep your retainer spot in contested wards a bannable offense.

[Cairdeas]

Whenever I invite some friends to play, I hate to even start to explain the MW system. I feel foolish trying to justify it, after I told them it was an awesome game. Most of them coming from other games with polished AH etc. How on earth do you expect someone to come to this game and settle for second best?

The only way it'll ever be right is if they combine the search and teleport to all 3 city states along with full history on all items. (this includes items that people are not currently selling).

What happens when and if (this is a huge IF) PS3 release takes off and increases the server population 1/3+? The MWs are already crammed full. It was a fun concept on paper, in reality it's not working.

Also, please make putting items in your bazaar for max gil just to keep your retainer spot in contested wards a bannable offense.

listed histories for prices can be heavily abused by RMT.

If they have any form of history it shouldn't list individual transactions at all. Instead it should be an average of the last... 20 sells, Ignoring changes in price that exceed between 15-30%.

So lets say an Item sells for 40-60k Steadily for 18 Times, Making the Average around 50K. If someone sells one for 100K or 10k That change wont reflect in the history, and prevent RMT's from being able to manipulate the price quickly.