(Serious) White Mage and Scholar are equally balanced.

[Tint]

i just think that I am a better white mage than the scholar next to me ^__________________^

[Mutemutt]

It's because the topic always devolves into a poo-flinging contest of who is better than whom. Same arguments made, same calculated numbers stamped in, superiority complexes get fired up and the same dead horse beaten for the umpteenth time. :/ I'm not a fan of those threads, at all, and glad when they die down. It's not that you CAN'T, just that it goes nowhere and usually only serves to spark more than just a peaceful debate - and people get tired of it. I'd rather the divide of WHM and SCH close and the two come together - not become more and more against each other... which is what becomes illustrated in those kinds of threads.

Well, taboo topics will do that, I suppose. You can argue it's for the betterment of the healer subforum that we not speak of those "sch vs whm" topics, though, ironically, that does help drive home some of the 1984 imagery.

Oh and on another note, I think the dps forums might be more peaceful than the healer one; I find that a bit funny.

[Risvertasashi]

Well, taboo topics will do that, I suppose. You can argue it's for the betterment of the healer subforum that we not speak of those "sch vs whm" topics, though, ironically, that does help drive home some of the 1984 imagery.

The only person who's claiming it's taboo is you. If you have some new information to discuss/share, by all means, go ahead.

If you don't, don't be surprised that people aren't interested in repeating the many pages of discussion that have been treaded time and time again.

As it is, you're basically complaining that we don't want to sit through a first grade math class again and again. There's nothing orwellian about it, there's just nothing to be gained and repetition bores people. But if we can move from addition and subtraction and on to more advanced concepts, I'm sure people would be interested.

But I doubt you have such information to present. If you do, go ahead.

[Vlady]

If double scholar could stack galvanize you might think different. Astrologian will determine if white mage stays or goes.

[Mutemutt]

The only person who's claiming it's taboo is you. If you have some new information to discuss/share, by all means, go ahead.

I'm comparing it to a taboo because that's how I see it being treated most of the time. That "let's not talk about it", "I don't want to see it" coupled with the fact that so many seem to get riled up about it.

I don't want to respond to the rest because it feels pretty condescending, but I hope you're not getting too riled up about a half-joking comparison.

[Risvertasashi]

I'm comparing it to a taboo because that's how I see it being treated most of the time. That "let's not talk about it", "I don't want to see it" coupled with the fact that so many seem to get riled up about it.

If double scholar could stack galvanize you might think different. Astrologian will determine if white mage stays or goes.

Posts like this are another reason why. A number of forum SCHs seem to resent that WHM can get a party at all, which motivates a lot of those passionate multipage posts arguing how much better SCH abilities are. But... Raid groups want not only a scholar but a white mage too, much to their resentment.

Avoid that trap and there is room for reasonable discussion. But yes, a lot of us are just very tired of seeing it rehashed.

[Mutemutt]

Posts like this are another reason why. A number of forum SCHs seem to resent that WHM can get a party at all, which motivates a lot of those passionate multipage posts arguing how much better SCH abilities are. But... Raid groups want not only a scholar but a white mage too, much to their resentment.

Avoid that trap and there is room for reasonable discussion. But yes, a lot of us are just very tired of seeing it rehashed.

And I hope you're not trying to vilify me, though the way that post is structured certainly gives off that impression. Either way, I don't really feel like bringing "that discussion that shall not be named" into this thread too when the other one is still on the first page. I'm not even sure what this topic was trying to accomplish, to be honest.

[Risvertasashi]

And I hope you're not trying to vilify me, though the way that post is structured certainly gives off that impression. Either way, I don't really feel like bringing "that discussion that shall not be named" into this thread too when the other one is still on the first page. I'm not even sure what this topic was trying to accomplish, to be honest.

It was more a criticism of Vlady and similar (For my part, I honestly don't get why there is such an urge to convince people one job is superior to another, both here and in the other role forums). And, I think the OP is just expressing their frustration at the whole situation.

[mp-please]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63104

Please use the search function placed at the top of the forum to see if your questions have already been answered. If there happens to be a thread with similar topics, please divert your questions to that particular thread.

Let's look at the 1st 5 pages
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-who-is-better
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...I-m-sick-of-it.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Mage-lacking
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-real-content
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-is-too-stronk

Pretty sure the topic was more than discussed already. So yea, these threads are getting out of control (not saying this one, i agree with OP)

[Saseal]

Well, taboo topics will do that, I suppose. You can argue it's for the betterment of the healer subforum that we not speak of those "sch vs whm" topics, though, ironically, that does help drive home some of the 1984 imagery.

Another question to ask is 'why bring up a topic that does nothing but incite anger/frustration'? Whats the point?
We know all it does is blow up, so why keep doing it? It's like fishing for trout in a koi pond. You're not going to get that trout and it's a waste of time. There's nothing productive that comes out of any of the particular discussion or topic - nothing ever really has. It's so far a topic proven to only become one big "you suck; no you suck; nuh-uh you suck more" - really, it just boils down to "Y'all are great and y'all suck" at the same time. There is no answer to find, but people will just pick up on the same argument where it left off ONLY to drive their opinion to make their class the head honcho. There is no discussion when threads of this particular topic is created, it's just arguments. There's no point. :/ Sooooo, it becomes a "I don't wanna hear it/see it".
It kinda reminds me of really loud pre-teen girls having an argument. You gotta agree it's an incredibly annoying sound... lol

Oh and on another note, I think the dps forums might be more peaceful than the healer one; I find that a bit funny.

Healers are strange people /shrug
Might have more to do with frustrations of the responsibilities in playing the position as a main being vented indirectly.