Do you think sell groups are hurting end game community?

[SevenHeavens]

Do you really charge that much...? I cannot even picture a single drop worth 15M...

I asked the price from a "pony seller run" and it was 8mil.

It's pathetic. I blacklist every run seller I see in pf so they're greyed out.

[GenJoe]

I asked the price from a "pony seller run" and it was 8mil.

It's pathetic. I blacklist every run seller I see in pf so they're greyed out.

It's a completely legitimate trade between two parties in agreement.

If you ask me, that's hell of a lot better than somebody who joins a farm group, dicks around for the whole fight, gets the loot on first drop, then leaves to do something else.

At least if there's money involved, everybody knows exactly what they're getting out of the deal. No dead weights.


and before you ask,

do I pay that kind of money for ponies?? NO, I don't think they're worth nearly that much, nor do I care for vanity items to even spend my time grinding them.. BUT the mere fact that such groups exist mean that there are people willing to pay that much for such services.

[StrejdaTom]

People should stop wearing FCOB gear, it encourages other players to want it too, which encourages them to buy gil, which encourages RMT sellers.

[GenJoe]

I can just picture some of these people forming an Eorzean Twelve Temperance Union and criminalizing run selling... Then all the run selling will be done in secret by bootleggers..

[AlereRaeder]

Back in the day when the content was fresh I had the mindset that paying for clears was dumb and I would never be part of the seller group.

Now that all this content is abysmally old, I like selling because it's extremely easy money. I'm a nice person and sometimes join T9 clear parties to remove "1 less noob" but plenty a time its just me there watching players wipe to the same mechanics for hours in a clear party. It's insanity. When many people still have trouble moving; something you do as soon as you start the game.

If you have the will to purchase a clear, well its a good market. It does ruin endgame content when these players want to join farm parties when they know little to nothing about a turn nor are they proficient enough in their own jobs. It does not ruin the community, it's an MMO: get a clue. I've seen players who beat T9 wipe a T9 raid constantly. I've seen soldery bonus players who never wipe a raid but these are rare poor soul elites.To the players who clear the content constantly; selling is a good way to make something out of knowing a fight. No one has the obligation to clear a turn for you; money turns into a reason to do content that you had no reason doing. Sounds a bit like extortion but its a service they choose to pay for. If getting a less than 15minute 1 shot on a fight you spent 3+ weeks on. I think 10m is worth YOUR TIME.

Beat their heads on an instance for hours, or make the money to buy themselves a clear. truth

[AlereRaeder]

they both do but unless your selling t9 and all of fcob for the price of 1 grade 4 materia then the encouragement to buy more and more gil is higher correct?

I'm pretty sure this is basic economy; Quantity and Demand.

[nuyu11]

No wonder there so many RMT at there... No offense.
People want easy way to gain Gil and easy way to clear the run...
Well good luck then.

To clear the run you just need some practice and patience.
Same with Gil, lvl crafting and gather patiently will be rewarding in long run.

Only loser choose the easy way.

Edit: Additional->

And for those who buy run do you know when Heavensward come out there will be more easier to farm ponies, and you will be regret because later on everyone is focusing on flying mount.

[SpookyGhost]

I don't like them in my farm groups (I know players who've bought their runs and I've been with them in farm groups... it's not pleasant) but there's nothing I can really do about it. I try to avoid selling unless I really need the gil.

[ShaneDawn]

People should stop wearing FCOB gear, it encourages other players to want it too, which encourages them to buy gil, which encourages RMT sellers.

This made me lol. :P

Or the people buying the clears should reflect on themselves, get better, find people to play with and stop spending their gil like scrubs.

[Aerowaffle]

I can just picture some of these people forming an Eorzean Twelve Temperance Union and criminalizing run selling... Then all the run selling will be done in secret by bootleggers..

People should stop wearing FCOB gear, it encourages other players to want it too, which encourages them to buy gil, which encourages RMT sellers.

Are you two done making sarcastic jabs?

Buying runs is probably one of the few ways to advance your battle-class through gil alone. Gil is mostly a commodity in this game, which is rare for an MMO, and just makes the pay-to-win methods that more evident when they're scarce. It generates a demand for gil from people who are already too lazy to clear a run themselves, and those same people are more likely to be too lazy to earn gil on their own (thus resorting to RMT).

Is it something that should be disallowed because it causes the lazy players to want gil? No. But it's silly to pretend that it's not generating a RMT demand when you're selling runs to unmotivated players, at prices that only motivated players could achieve.

I'm against buying runs, not because of the gil demand it generates, but because it allows people to pay-to-win. I believe the end-game content should be earned and only completed by those who actually had the skills and effort required. The more people who achieve a certain benchmark, but don't deserve it, the less it means to achieve it for everyone. People don't need to complete 100% of content if they don't have the required skill and/or effort.