Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Skeith-Adeline]

Ooo starting to get spicy here...

grabs the popcorn

[Zephyr-Umbra]

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Couldn't agree more, there is a huge difference between being an ass to new players who just won't listen and keep fucking up to the ones who want to improve, trust me i know it gets old real fast.
But i would much rather a new player who messes up, and attempts to learn from their mistakes and who makes jokes and laughs it off, over an elitist douche who wipes once and calls everyone shit tier then leaves, and by proxy causes overs to leave or causes us to have to re-queue for replacements.

You can't expect everyone to be on the same level if you use the duty finder, if you want to be elitist you can only rely on some small clique you form yourself if you want it to meet your standards.
Besides if new players don't play with experienced players how will they ever improve? while it might be a burden for some, if you push away all the new players and tell them to 'git good' chances are you'll push them away from getting better and clearing more end game content if they know all that awaits them are harder mechanics are self righteous assholes who'll jump on them the second they screw up.

I've also seen a lot of people mention the ability of others here likes its some black and white thing of "You lack skill or you have it." which is complete bullshit, this is an mmo you aren't going to be good or skilled in any of the end game content without practice, some will adapt faster for sure but everyone has the ability to succeed there is no such thing as "You lack the skill to complete this." mostly in a game like this where all you're doing is learning the patterns. And just because you did it and someone else is struggling you act all high and mighty with the attitude of "Well i did it, you must be bad if you can't."

And i'm saying this as in give them a few chances to improve, if they keep messing up and refuse to listen to advice or don't ask for any and keep making the same mistakes, then by all means quit, no one will look down on you for it, but give them a few chances first, the worst players are the ones who just leave the second it turns sour because they're afraid they'll lose 10 minutes of their precious time helping someone else. And I'm my experiences over the last few years, we have way to many of the toxic assholes who want everyone to be on their level despite joining the duty finder and will leave and make it harder for everyone else just because it didn't work out how they intended.

[LineageRazor]

They laugh, they joke, they're having a great time (losing is super fun!)

I wanted to chime in on this particular point. The point of laughing and joking is not because they don't care, but because they want to keep the atmosphere bright and positive. When the mood gets heavy, people want to quit. When people quit, the run ends, and there is no more opportunity to practice and improve.

I would be very, very surprised if the folks laughing and wiping weren't TRYING to improve themselves, even if you can't see any evidence that they ARE improving. Wiping over and over again is not fun. So, SOME kind of fun needs to be injected into the scenario, or else people will become easily discouraged.

Anyone that's had a static party fall apart on them knows this is true. Most, if not all statics have a period of time where folks laugh and joke while they struggle to learn the new content. When the laughing and joking stops, THAT'S when ugly talk like, "Bob's DPS is too low, should we kick him and get someone else?" and "I'm wasting my time with you scrubs, I'm out!" starts to crop up...

[Magis]

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Calls op a bully, proceeds to berate her and tells her not to post on the forums.

The lack of self awareness is funny. You missed the part where you go "we don't take kindly to your types".

[Irie]

This is never gonna stop, is it?

"We don't want to play with you, cuz you suck"
"How are we supposed to learn when you don't carry us?"

The eternal spiral of bitching.

[Sapphic]

To some players the challenge of learning a new fight is more fun then beating it.

Yet, more often than not in my experiences, the first thing they write in party chat (when they say something) is "I'm new, what do I do?". Showing they do want to read a guide, just they want to in a way that puts the preceddence on the rest of the party during the actual content instead of using a more indepth guide that is freely available and readable at their own pace.

Or when said player, even after guidance keeps dieing the same way to the same mechanic over and over and over because they refuse to take advice? Or they don't even understand the common language of the party whatsoever? I do not mind whatsoever, if I queue for low level roulette and get a new player, helping them and it's good seeing them take advice and visibly improve over the course of the run. People who are making an effort, not just for the party, but for themselves. I have zero tolerance for those who's ego is so fragile that they cannot comprehend that they make mistakes and direct the blame onto everyone else except themselves. Or join DF with zero ability to communicate in the language they selected with zero experience of the content also. Seriously, what do they expect? A faster queue? Probably, but also faster wipes and faster disbands if the content they are queued for is challenging, aka coil. Auto translate is not capable a tool for explaining intracacies of a fight and mechanics. Not to mention auto translate tools are vastly inferior due to grammer and sentance structure, if you don't have an idea of the targetted language then it can (many cases does) translate into something different than what you expected. I can attest to that with speaking 4 languages and seeing.

The forums, the internet are all resources that players can reach out for advice. I use them myself. EG. I was struggling to maintain GL stacks when we started in turn 13, I reached out to the community, got some good advice, adjusted and after practice became able to easily maintain stacks. Get the theory which gives you a basic understanding, then practice that theory hands on.

The length of time the party will last is in direct correlation to the amount of effort the players put into trying to be succesful.

[Anna_Lannis]

Calls op a bully, proceeds to berate her and tells her not to post on the forums.

The lack of self awareness is funny. You missed the part where you go "we don't take kindly to your types".

I did not tell her not to post on the forums. I just told her not to make the same point over and over again in a another thread she just made not a week ago.

[Tuathaa]

100% disagree. The fact that it is an mmo means that you'll be playing with people other than yourself. For a dungeon, going in blind is usually fine, but for 8 man or more content, it is either lazy, spiteful or both. Don't get me wrong: If you want to learn the fight on your on, that's cool. You're probably not the only one who wants to do so. So put up a party finder or post a thread and find kindred souls, and go learn and laugh together. But to impede the progress of 7 other people is extremely selfish and should only fill the perpetrator with shame.

Seriuosly? Believe it or not there aren't guides to everything and let's not forget that up until steps came out the only thing a person really needed 95% of the time is stay out of bad and kill adds.

Some people take LFG way to Seriuosly. Pugs are pugs and stupid stuff is gonna happen.

[Arixtotle]

Here's the issue with reading or watching guides; it doesn't mean you'll do everything right. I ALWAYS watch guides for a new fight I've never done before because, as a healer, I think it's important that I know what's coming. BUT I've still died to mechanics in new fights because is very different to actually be there rather than just viewing a guide. So don't assume that people who are dying are lazy, unknowledable people looking for a carry.

[Dererk]

Its hard to even fill a T13 clear party and worse is you need at lest 2/3 specific roles a monk for dragon kick a warrior for storm path and some one to virus the boss. With out at lest 2 of these 3 you going to get hit hard real hard. One time I already had to forgo a war for a 2nd paladin just so we could fill so people wouldn't leave then a ninja asked in tell do you really need a monk I said ugh yes he said no you don't. If you going to join a clear you at lest are experienced enough to know you need a certain party build.

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Seams a little harsh maybe this post is different from the one you say was a week ago? People change their views all the time.

And if some one is really at a certain exp in a fight then they have every right to exclude people who aren't didn't make them mean or a elitist ( dont even think this is the right word to this) they just want it done with.

I'm willing to help other people once I get the thing im trying to get done but I shouldn't always have to start up the learning process all over again once I get the full understanding up to a certain point.