Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Lemuria]

I think you're mistaking the elitism we all know and abhor for simply being good. There are a growing number of players who refuse to play with anyone who isn't on their level. These are the ones who have party flags which ridiculously high ilvl requirements (despite the content requiring much lower) and list comments like "screw up, get kicked", This is immediately apparent to anyone who opens up the Party Search box trying to find a group. These types of groups are becoming the norm, rather than the exception.

The issue isn't that only the elite post their parties, it's that those mid-tier and low-tier players who do post their groups have often had high-tier players join only to criticize and judge. They're not interested in helping a player to get better, only to rub their face in the dirt that they are 'superior' in some way. That is the real reason elitism get's such a bad rep.

If you're just good at what you do, that's fine. It's when you grind people beneath your heel in your wake that people get annoyed and call you out. I'm not expecting every good player to go out of their way to help newcomers, but this anti-social extreme is not acceptable and someone was going to mention it sooner or later.

[Kiroh]

The issue isn't that only the elite post their parties, it's that those mid-tier and low-tier players who do post their groups have often had high-tier players join only to criticize and judge. They're not interested in helping a player to get better, only to rub their face in the dirt that they are 'superior' in some way. That is the real reason elitism get's such a bad rep.

If you're just good at what you do, that's fine. It's when you grind people beneath your heel in your wake that people get annoyed and call you out. I'm not expecting every good player to go out of their way to help newcomers, but this anti-social extreme is not acceptable and someone was going to mention it sooner or later.

Asking someone to not be a liability is not criticism, nor grinding people beneath your heel. And let's not kid ourselves, no one has fun wiping constantly no matter how much they insist. The first time it was fun, the 5th time it was amusing, the 50th time you still can't manage not to wipe to the same mechanic that has killed you 49 times before, it's not fun anymore and you're deluding yourself if you continue to claim it is.

And why are you upset with parties you don't want to be in forming with rules you don't like? They have no obligation to lower their standards for you, and you have no inherent "right" to a spot in a group. The people who have run something 100+ times have every right to want to run with other people with the same experience as they have.

And lastly, helping someone and carrying them are not the same things. No one expects you to be perfect, but if you can't even manage to survive at least 80% of the fight then it's not help anymore.

Did you even read what you quoted, or just the first line? Because if you read the whole thing, you'd understand your post is completely meaningless.

Then you go on to preach about belittling people, priceless.

Then let me put this in a way you can comprehend.

You have an obligation as a human being to not be a liability to everyone around you. When you absolutely refuse to take instructions because they're not phrased in a way you like, you are not living up to that obligation. If someone is being outright abusive, why would you even want to be in their group to begin with?

Again, everyone has a right to group with equally experienced players and they have no obligation whatsoever to stroke your ego when you screw up.

[Lemuria]

Asking someone to not be a liability is not criticism, nor grinding people beneath your heal. And let's not kid ourselves, no one has fun wiping constantly no matter how much they insist. The first time it was fun, the 5th time it was amusing, the 50th time you still can't manage not to wipe to the same mechanic that has killed you 49 times before, it's not fun anymore and you're deluding yourself if you continue to claim it is.

Did you even read what you quoted, or just the first line? Because if you read the whole thing, you'd understand your post is completely meaningless.

I have absolutely no qualms with people playing alongside whomever they want. They can form their own rules, their own guidelines. However, often times I've seen these same experienced players outright belittling players because 'they're not good enough'. Some to the point where it becomes borderline harassment. This attitude doesn't help anyone and simply puts new players off attempting the content in case they're considered 'not good enough' by the next elite player that comes along.

The problem here is that it's THESE players which are giving the term 'elite' a bad reputation. They're the sole reason people consider elitism 'a bad thing' and 'toxic' for the community. Your post is almost an example of these issues itself, which really isn't helping matters. Being good is fine, being boastful and unpleasant to those you deem less skilled is not.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and telling someone they suck.

[Aeyis]

Then let me put this in a way you can comprehend.

You have an obligation as a human being to not be a liability to everyone around you.

Ah. A day back on the forums and I'm already reminded why I put half the people here on ignore.


If you are going to write something this stupid and incorrect, atleast try to make it sound funny so its enjoyable to read, yes?

Being an elitist and an asshole are not the same thing

But it does not help that theres a lot of assholes arguing that elitism is a good thing.

The problem is information overload.

I won't speak for everyone else, but for me the only limiting factor in the game is the ridiculous delays. If the game was actually in realtime instead of realtime + lolserverdelay + letsplayagameofcardswhileiwaitforcastdelay, it would be a lot more forgiving for people, I think.

[Kiroh]

Ah. A day back on the forums and I'm already reminded why I put half the people here on ignore.

I'm sorry, I'll correct that right away.

You have a duty as a human being to not be a liability to everyone around you if you don't want to be a complete and utter failure that drags everyone else down with you.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If you are going to write something this stupid and incorrect, atleast try to make it sound funny so its enjoyable to read, yes?

With regards to the "You have an obligation as a human being not to be a liability to everyone around you" comment, while it could've been worded better, there is truth to it. It's practically a military mindset: "My mistakes can jeopardize my team"

And it's true.

THAT is why some push to be good. That's why some watch videos or make learning parties, and that's the same reason why those same people get upset when someone who is clearly underprepared or willingly ignorant of or ignoring mechanics causes a wipe. In this game, it doesn't matter if 7 people are ready or experienced if that 1 person is not. They ARE a liability. They will jeopardize the team. Maybe not always. Hell, I've gone into things new, and no one knew til we won. Why? Because I came ready. Because I focus. Because I make effort to minimize my liability when I'm that one new guy. Not everyone does it, no. And no one HAS to do it. But I'll be blunt: if you want to win, if you want to be good, you need to prepare. And you need to follow through. If 8 people can come together and operate under that type of mindset, there's NOTHING elitist in it.

[Oldschoolegamer38]

"Then let me put this in a way you can comprehend.

You have an obligation as a human being to not be a liability to everyone around you. When you absolutely refuse to take instructions because they're not phrased in a way you like, you are not living up to that obligation. If someone is being outright abusive, why would you even want to be in their group to begin with?"

What kind of drugs are you on? where does real life and this game have anything to do with it. and you are a prime example of a liability in human society!!! With that type of behavior i see why you can't separate real life from a game.

[KarstenS]

These are the ones who have party flags which ridiculously high ilvl requirements (despite the content requiring much lower) and list comments like "screw up, get kicked",

Not really. In my expierience, people that open these types of PF recruitements are looking for a carry and screw up their own.

[Ashman]

I logged in JUST to like the OP and logging into OF is quite rare for me. I think you summed up the reasons behind the rifts in the community perfectly. It's almost like the working class, and the government assistance abusers in America. One group feels entitled to the same lifestyle as the other while putting forth none of the work required, while the other gets sick of supporting those who will do nothing to change their position.

I think you're mistaking the elitism we all know and abhor for simply being good. There are a growing number of players who refuse to play with anyone who isn't on their level.

I have several friends whom I care about very deeply but when they ask for help I know for a fact they're going to still (after months of content being out) have put forth absolutely no effort into getting up to speed. I don't mean "they haven't logged 50 hours reading guides and watching videos". I mean they haven't even said "hey can someone explain this mechanic to me".... in the MONTHS the content has been out and they've been sitting in social shells complaining about A) they can't ever get anything accomplished and B) there's no one talking when they're on (literally the only two things they'll say).

Then if i do go insofar as to actually be guilted into helping these people. They will completely not listen to anything I try to tell them (sorry i wasnt paying attention to your briefing), or worse yet: "eh, its old content so i dont need to learn it".

THESE are people I know and give a "care" about. Somehow, the community expects me to go above and beyond and carebear some random with the same sense of entitlement? I think the "abhorant elitests" might make up 3-5% of the "people who try" whereas the "entitled carry me's" make up double digit percents of the "casual community". THAT is a much broader brush and I don't appreciate all the devil's advocates enabling excuses by implying the OP is just generalizing.

[Magis]

I logged in JUST to like the OP and logging into OF is quite rare for me. I think you summed up the reasons behind the rifts in the community perfectly. It's almost like the working class, and the government assistance abusers in America. One group feels entitled to the same lifestyle as the other while putting forth none of the work required, while the other gets sick of supporting those who will do nothing to change their position.



*editing*

Please let's refrain from comparing this to IRL politics. This can get into a slapfight as it is, don't need an actual issue in the mix.