Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

None of it changes the fact that this is a double standard, a difference that is applied to the female model BECAUSE they are femal.

The double standard exists in real life, but the opposite. Females can wear male clothing, and female clothing, but if men go into, say, Victoria's secret and start trying on stuff, they would be thrown out.

Just let this crap go away, its annoying and pointless and won't make a big impact either way.

[XgungraveX]

just glamdor it to something else if you don't like it.......

[Kosmos992k]

Male Dragoon is the Serious Dragoon. Female Dragoon is the Sexy Dragoon. THAT is what infuriates people. You can rationalize it all you like - females can be serious AND sexy, right?

First of all, calm down. Second, I doubt there are many people who consider a visible navel the height of "sexy", the thing is little more than a lint collector after all. Your attitude towards this topic is clear form your comments regarding high heels with armor, so kindly stop trying to act like you're some kind of crusader for fairness.

Before we proceed though, we should probably review all the armor and gear sets in the game to see whether male characters have any gear that bares things that the female version does not, or gear sets that accentuate masculine features on the wearer, regardless of gender. The double standard here is those cloaking their puritanical leaning with arguments related to the real world practicality of armor in what is - after all - a fantasy game, or those leaping to the defense of female characters who obviously are horribly exploited by having their lint collectors shown in Dragoon AF gear.

Now, since we're talking about double standards in gear, I'm pretty sure that there are a couple of beach sets that essentially have the male bare chested, while the female has her chest clothed. Is that not a double standard too? Nipples and breasts on females are considered sexual, despite the fact that their primary function is top provide nourishment for their children. Admittedly they are also considered erogenous zones. Oddly enough, nipples and 'breasts' are not the exclusive preserve of females, males have them too (shocking I know) and they are also considered to be erogenous zones. So, why on eorzea is there a double standard?

Oh, that's right because there are certain conventions in clothing that are considered female traits and others that are considered male. Why are you surprise then that there are differences in gear between female and male? It should be obvious that such differences would exist and that female gear would accentuate the feminine characteristics, and male would accentuate masculine characteristics.

To suggest otherwise is indeed a double standard since you are implicitly (based on your arguments used in your posts) saying that all gear should be the same, and fit the male characters properly. Realism be damned, this is a game, immersion be damned you can wear a snowman head or pumpkin into battle. Those arguments hold no water, and all it comes down to is the attitude of players like yourself who find offense in things like the Dragoon AF gear, but apparently not in the beach wear, since to my knowledge there has not been a longstanding complaint here about the existence of the male chest in beach wear.

Which, by the way, goes directly to your point about a spear and a thong. Since there would be an obvious double standard allowing the male Dragoon to be topless, but not the female. Or, are you suggesting that as proof that you do not find female flesh sinful?

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(yes the final paragraph is in jest, I hope you realize that...)

[SirDiscoFrog]

...when representing the core look of a job, give us the full treatment. A faceless, menacing, imposing figure, in midnight clad, striking fear in the hearts of foes.

I feel that this is being glazed over by so many pulling the 'this is an MMO, female charterers will always have sexy armor' card is that this is not the bulk of what the OP wants. There are plenty of nice skimpy armor for you to put on and glamour for your characters. No one is saying 'no more sexy in my game at all'. What is being requested is that an iconic piece of gear, that is the primary representation of a specific job or class, is not drastically altered for the sexes, theme wise or look wise. This set is suppose to represent Dark Knights. It does not need to be glamed up or dolled out for any reason.

Having a piece of gear better form a character is welcome in my opinion is makes logical sense (hence why so many were upset about the Noct Loct armor on females, although in my opinion it only looked good on fem/male roes, highlanders, and some catboys.) But having a piece of gear fit a character better does not mean redesigning it to show skin (al la Dragoon belly AF style), or making it more sexy, or glamorous. That's why as a few have noticed there are slight differences in all the AF armor between the males and females but only the Dragoon one is complained about extensively.

A number of other games do this well where a female character is given armor and it is entirely warped by any means, it just fitted to their figure without changing the fact that it is well thought out functional armor.

Hilde and DA's armor is altered to fit them better and show that they are female without showing any skin and mainly focus on the fitting of the gear. Femshep could be a bit better but there's no boob window or skin slits so it gets a pass in my book lol

There is a time and a place for sexier gear, or gear that is more feminine between the male and female characters, but iconic tank gear(similar to the WAR and PLD sets) is not one of them. There will be plenty of other sexy gear released in the future, but I have faith they will leave this set's design alone and just properly fit it to both sexes unlike that scary Noct Loct.....man those abs were frightening. @__@

[Kosmos992k]

Hilde and DA's armor is altered to fit them better and show that they are female without showing any skin and mainly focus on the fitting of the gear.

There is a time and a place for sexier gear, or gear that is more feminine between the male and female characters, but iconic tank gear(similar to the WAR and PLD sets) is not one of them. There will be plenty of other sexy gear released in the future,

Sophitia and Cassandra demand equal treatment with Hilde...

I'm personally not advocating overtly sexy gear, this is not that kind of game. But I see nothing wrong with allowing female gear to be fitting and fittingly feminine, just as there is nothing wrong with allowing male gear to be fitting and fittingly masculine.

As for your comment about plenty of other sexy gear, there really isn't that much in the game that would be considered sexy, though they are welcome to add more. Some of the things they have added have been horribly ruined such as the top to the 'bunny suit' you can get from GS. The top looks really odd, and is decidedly not sexy.

But as I said, the point is not to have more overtly sexy gear in for either gender, but to have gear that fits each gender and accentuates the characteristics of that gender. How people combine, color and dress it all up, is up to them.

[SirDiscoFrog]

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Oh yes, I definitely agree with the whole fitting thing, sorry if that last part didn't come off like that. The game itself having sexy gear, while not a ton, there's a decent amount of options to choose from although you're probably right that many of them are a tad bit over the top.....and I kinda wanna bunny costume myself although i cant wear it lol. But yesh, having a well fitting piece of gear with no out of place skin windows for DRK will make me happy, even with slight adjustments so long as the theme still fits.

(And yes Sofi and Cassandra do deserve that treatment lol I tend to over look their costumes because of the greek theme xD)

[Niwashi]

we should probably review all the armor and gear sets in the game to see whether male characters have any gear that bares things that the female version does not

Ok, well the AF sets are the relevant ones, so lets try:

DRG - Female version more revealing than male
NIN - Female version more revealing than male
BRD - Female version more revealing than male
MNK - Female version more revealing than male
SCH - Female version more revealing than male
SUM - Female version more revealing than male
BKM - No difference that I've noticed
WHM - No difference that I've noticed
PLD - No difference that I've noticed
WAR - No difference that I've noticed (well, not in how revealing they are anyway. nice shaping adjustments, though)

Now some of the differences are pretty minor and so unlikely to bother people. (I'd likely never have even noticed the MNK difference if not looking it up to compare them.) But the differences are all in the same direction, just some more glaringly than others.


(And yes, I know you referred to all gear in the game and not just AF, but that's just a distraction to the issue here. The issue is about iconic Artifact gear.)

[MirielleLavandre]

While this is about armor... can I just say that as a female I'd be pretty embarrassed to be using the WHM staff in the 3.0 shot...Just saying...

[LunaHoshino]

I just want armor that looks different on male characters and female characters. I have a female character and a male character for a reason, it's no fun when all of their armor looks exactly the same on both of them. Let's get some variation here!

[Jynx]

can I just say

Seriously?

The staff doesn't portray anything but a angel figure. There us nothing sexual about it or even implied.

I think people get a bit over defensive about this kind of stuff. This is overreaching especially when there a good examples like the drg armor to look at instead of a staff with a figure on it.