New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

Guessing then that you've never played EQ, AC, DAoC, FFXI, or even worse, any of the many Korean MMO's that require pure grinding to get anything accomplished.

The first few MMO's I listed all required you to lvl up primarly through just sitting at a camp of mobs, and killing them as they respawned, you'd be lucky to get 10% of the xp you needed to lvl up from doing all the quests at your level available to you. They also took a LONG time to lvl up, with most people taking 8-12 months to reach max lvl for the first time.

Edit: Lvling in this game is so trivial it's hardly worth mentioning it as an accomplishment.

I played both EQ and FFXI and I stand by my point, the leveling experience in this game outside of the first run when you can do it via storyline is so bad it hurts my head even thinking about it, even compared to those games. That has nothing to do with it being an accomplishment or not to get to max in XIV. I never said getting a job to max level in this game was an accomplishment because it isn't. The biggest difference is, in those games it was made to be an accomplishment and it also required the journey to actually have meaning and be a part of the experience.

[Zfz]

It's already confirmed that Lv 51 gear will not be higher than iLv 135. It's a safe bet that those who have collected a full set of iLv 130 gear won't be starting on the same page as those wearing only iLv 110 or even iLv 100.

I'm not talking about older levels becoming relatively easier. I'm talking about Square Enix adjusting the 2.1~2.55 main story content accordingly to account for new players who will most likely not even do the Hard Mode primals, only progressing through the story trials. Remember how all those main story quests for 2.1~2.55 only give gil and sometimes materia? Those would be great places to hand out stuff like the iLv 90 AF tokens and soldiery accessories.

I'm not saying this will be the way they do it.

They could also keep all the quest rewards the same, but tune the difficulties of all those quest trials down for iLv50/55 or so. Or they could even tune the main story quests to start early, to fill the often cited "void" of Lv 44~49. Such that by Lv 45 with your AF you're already starting on 2.1~2.2 content and by Lv 49 you're doing 2.55 content.

There's a lot of ways to do it. We already know the roulette contents are getting reorganized. Nothing says that the main story progression can't be reorganized as well.

So rather than debating the new job gating based on conjectures like we have been doing, let's just ask Square Enix, "will new players get stuck at Lv 50 trying to raise their gear iLv to do the Steps of Faith?"

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They could also keep all the quest rewards the same, but tune the difficulties of all those quest trials down.

They really need to take the quests from patch 2.1-2.55 and reduce them to 10% of what they are now. 90% of all the quests are completely filler.

[Mugiawara]

Some of the quests are ridiculous. More recent one was Yda needing a flower from Rowena and she was too scared to get it herself.
Really...? We could of NOT done that, she summoned the courage to get it on her own and we went straight from A to B and not
A to C, back to A then finally go to B only for a short CS to go back to A.
Screw being a WoL. Lemme join up with Moogle Mail guy. May as well, all we're doing is fetching junk for others. XDDD

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Some of the quests are ridiculous. More recent one was Yda needing a flower from Rowena and she was too scared to get it herself.
Really...? We could of NOT done that, she summoned the courage to get it on her own and we went straight from A to B and not
A to C, back to A then finally go to B only for a short CS to go back to A.
Screw being a WoL. Lemme join up with Moogle Mail guy. May as well, all we're doing is fetching junk for others. XDDD

Or the quest where we had to recruit people going around every city. Or the quest where we needed to give uniforms to new people. Or the quests where we needed to go kill things all around to make a vial of perfume for someone we never will meet again.

Are we playing Final Fantasy, or Filler Fantasy?

Only 1 out of 15 quests actually promote and forward the story, that is ridiculous.

[Nestama]

Don't forget about the part where we had to collect tea leafs(?) or something.

[MageBlack]

Some of the quests are ridiculous. More recent one was Yda needing a flower from Rowena and she was too scared to get it herself.
Really...? We could of NOT done that, she summoned the courage to get it on her own and we went straight from A to B and not
A to C, back to A then finally go to B only for a short CS to go back to A.
Screw being a WoL. Lemme join up with Moogle Mail guy. May as well, all we're doing is fetching junk for others. XDDD

I actually laughed a lot at that quest because when you went there they pointed out the exact thing you are complaining about. I bet half the people didnt even read the quests but instead clicked through and chose to complain.

[Viridiana]

It's only 52 pages because people keep bumping it to further a pointless debate..

And because people are silly and stick to ten responses per page. >_>

Edit to avoid double-post:

. . .then after 50 you need to complete about 150-180 more quests, even more then you had to do to level 50. Then after that you have to complete the level 50-60 quests all whilst playing with pugs and new players since nobody really needs to do most of that content anymore."

Friend: ".... Enjoy your game man."

So, you're going to lie to your friend about the game, and then be surprised when he isn't interested? And not offer to help him level at all? And yes, the parts I just quoted are a blatant lie.

[Lorielle]

So, you're going to lie to your friend about the game, and then be surprised when he isn't interested? And not offer to help him level at all? And yes, the parts I just quoted are a blatant lie.

That's a nitpick I wanted to get at myself. When you try to advertise XIV, try not to actually downplay it. There's a difference between being told everything you have to do and experiencing everything you have to do. The latter is more tolerable because you're already in the middle of it. You might as well finish it. The former just puts off people and they think "Too much. No thanks."

Another issue I am seeing is a lot of people are asking why Developers didn't put the new jobs in areas outside of Ishgard? Three potential reasons off the top of my head. Two of which kind of relate to each other:

1. To explore Heavensward Content - You are introduced new jobs, but why keep them within the realm of the original game areas? Wouldn't it be more enjoyable to complete these quests within the new areas of Ishgard?

2. Lore Reasons - Perhaps these jobs are not known to areas outside of Ishgard for one reason or another. Someone mentioned that the developers write the lore, which is certainly true. For the most part, without things contradicting each other, things have played out fairly well.

3. To have people subscribed long enough to actually get to Ishgard - People say new players will be put off by this decision. Is this based on fact or your personal opinion? The typical player will probably buy the game and play the game for as long as they can take before putting it off. If Ishgard is their goal, the new jobs, etc. then they will stayed subscribed until they reach that goal. On the other spectrum, there are others that will feel like it takes too much time to get to Ishgard. Then fine, that's on them, but they're just a group of players just like everyone else. If they unsubscribe, then sure, that sucks, but the game will move on. They can't be bothered to lose a few subscriptions when they have the rest of the player base to consider. I mean, hey, few people unsubscribed because PVP in this game wasn't the greatest in the world. No one is throwing a hissy fit over that.

Again, I personally do not see the issue. It's common practice. You want to pick up a MMO that's been out a while? Guess what? You have to start catching up on a lot of content. Hope you're prepared for the long run(which isn't even that long).

[Bluevann]

Don't forget about the part where we had to collect tea leafs(?) or something.

What about the time we had to fill a bucket of water at Buscarron's Druthers and it took seven clicks to do it?

Find the Bucket
Pick the Bucket
Find the River
Put the Bucket
Fill the Bucket
Pick the Bucket
Dump the Bucket