Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

[Shiki_Lockhart]

The music played when riding the magitek armor and gilded magitek armor mounts has been changed.

O.O

That means we finally get the FFVI music for magiteks? *_* :O

I hope so! Going to instant mount to check!

[Stuart444]

The music played when riding the magitek armor and gilded magitek armor mounts has been changed.

O.O

That means we finally get the FFVI music for magiteks? *_* :O

I hope so! Going to instant mount to check!

It is, it was mentioned in a blog post the other day.

[giantslayer]

I just finished the 2.55 storyline.

OMG! SO MUCH F****** BULL SH**!!!!!

Raubahn gets fed up with Teledji Adeledji's crap and kills him. YES! Thank you! Unfortunately, from that point forward, we are met with an onslaught of stupidity and cowardice.

After watching the Sultana get murdered and Raubahn's arm gets cut off, Merlwyb and Kan-e-Senna just say "welp, after watching Raubahn's betrayal unfold before our very eyes, we're gonna abandon our old comrade in arms and the leader of the armies of Ul'dah in his direst moment of need to die."

Raubahn then frees me, the warrior of light who slays gods and could kill Ilberd and every last f****** Brass Blade and Crystal Brave on my own. I also leave him alone to die.

The scions all throw their lives away for nothing (well, I'm sure they aren't really dead but they make it look like they are gone). Papalymo could have just shut the stupid gate to block the reinforcements and went with everyone. Thancred, Yshtola, and Minfilia stay behind for no good reason. Remember: I COULD HAVE KILLED EVERY SINGLE ENEMY PURSUING US! Why do I just run away with my tail between my legs and let my allies throw their lives away?

Then just to add insult to stupidity, the Ishgardians tell me they can't grant my request for asylum until they are no longer under threat of attack. WTF?! I just saved their d*** country from a huge dragon and have been recognized by the leader of their military as a hero! They should be thanking their gods for their good fortune that I have come knocking at their door and will be on their soil to help defend them from future attacks.

Please, SE, stop writing this kind of story. It seems none of the good guys except Raubahn had a brain or a spine and we abandoned him like a bunch of retarded cowards. I can put up with lame or mediocre stories (e.g. Most of the rest of this game's storyline), but not this kind of stupid where the heroes so badly lack any combination of intelligence and courage.

There is a saying we have in America: "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Watching a story like this just makes me mad, especially when I have a character in the story who is the one letting evil triumph by doing nothing. IRL I'm not powerful enough save the world or do much at all. One of the reasons I like games and fantasy is to be able to be the kind of hero I could only dream about being IRL. Heck, that's why we like Superhero movies so much. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way. I can put up with my character simply not being powerful enough and losing, but I can't put up with my character lacking the courage to fight.

[Belhi]

I just finished the 2.55 storyline.

OMG! SO MUCH F****** BULL SH**!!!!!

There is a saying we have in America: "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Watching a story like this just makes me mad, especially when I have a character in the story who is the one letting evil triumph by doing nothing. IRL I'm not powerful enough save the world or do much at all. One of the reasons I like games and fantasy is to be able to be the kind of hero I could only dream about being IRL. Heck, that's why we like Superhero movies so much. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way. I can put up with my character simply not being powerful enough and losing, but I can't put up with my character lacking the courage to fight.

If you spend some time traveling around and talking to NPC you'll see the other GC leaders aren't doing nothing. The reason they couldn't get involved and aid Raubahn was address many times in this thread already. It wasn't cowardice. It was doing the hard but right thing. If they had acted there they would be helping an assassin who was breaking Ul'dah's laws attempt to kill another city leader illegally.

As for your character, what do you think your character was going to do? Fight the entire standing army of Ul'dah? Do remember the current evidence has set you up as the assassin of the Sultana. Who was going to lead Ul'dah afterward? The sultana was dead. If the syndicate was wiped out, how do you think it would look if you tried to set Raubahn up as leader? The accused assassin of the Sultana aids Raubahn in killing the other leaders and seizing power? The people would turn on him. Imagine if the other GC leaders got involved. Then not only would he look like he had staged a coup but it would also look like he was a puppet set up by foreign powers with the aid of the Scions. We would look as guilty as sin in the eyes of the public.

The whole point of this was we had no good options. We had to retreat cause the only thing that would bring us a just and victorious outcome was one where the truth came out and the guilty were shown for all to see. To quote another saying "only fools rush in."

As for superheroes, they are always faced with such struggles. Why do you think superman has Lex Lothar, a guy without any powers, as one of his most well known enemies. Sometimes you cant win just by beating people up. This is the bread and butter of superhero movies. It makes the reckoning when it comes all the sweeter when those who betrayed us and smiled smugly see there world crashing down and know their greatest mistake screwing with us.

[giantslayer]

As for your character, what do you think your character was going to do? Fight the entire standing army of Ul'dah? Do remember the current evidence has set you up as the assassin of the Sultana. Who was going to lead Ul'dah afterward? The sultana was dead. If the syndicate was wiped out, how do you think it would look if you tried to set Raubahn up as leader? The accused assassin of the Sultana aids Raubahn in killing the other leaders and seizing power? The people would turn on him. Imagine if the other GC leaders got involved. Then not only would he look like he had staged a coup but it would also look like he was a puppet set up by foreign powers with the aid of the Scions. We would look as guilty as sin in the eyes of the public.

The whole point of this was we had no good options. We had to retreat cause the only thing that would bring us a just and victorious outcome was one where the truth came out and the guilty were shown for all to see. To quote another saying "only fools rush in."

You make some excellent points. Even if the GC leaders had their hands tied, I still think my character should have stayed and fought.

First of all, allow me to remind you that we are dealing with the Brass Blades and the Crystal Braves. The official standing army of Uldah is the Immortal Flames, who were still under General Raubahn's control (another great reason for everyone to not abandon him).

Do we have to kill all the Brass Blades and Crystal Braves? No. Kill the leaders: Teledji, Lolorito, Ilberd, and that other lalafel. Without leadership, the riff-raff will eventually lose their appetite for death, especially when they see enough bodies piled up at the feet of the General of the Immortal Flames and the legendary Warrior of Light. Most of these people have been bought with coin and they have limited motivation to throw away their lives against someone with god-like powers.

As for the opinion of the common folk, they are already 100% behind me. They already don't believe I killed the Sultana. Everyone in Uldah knows the Syndicate is corrupt and would have no problem believing that they were behind the death of the Sultana and that the Warrior of Light and Raubahn gave them their comeuppance. As the Warrior of Light, I am the greatest hero in the world in the eyes of the common people and a political outsider to Uldah. They will believe what I say and fall in line under Raubahn as the new leader of Uldah. Besides that, Raubahn is already a hero in the eyes of the common man, the General of the Immortal Flames, and was always at the Sultana's side. He is the natural successor in the eyes of the people already.

We don't know about other members of the Syndicate, but we do know that they never anticipated Raubahn would just say "F*** it" and actually kill them. The Syndicate members are selfish opportunists gaming the political and economic systems, not a bunch of possessed lunatics bent on destroying the world. Self-preservation comes first and they would probably try to distance themselves from the plot rather than double-down and put their necks on the line.

[Belhi]

You make some excellent points. Even if the GC leaders had their hands tied, I still think my character should have stayed and fought.

First of all, allow me to remind you that we are dealing with the Brass Blades and the Crystal Braves. The official standing army of Uldah is the Immortal Flames, who were still under General Raubahn's control (another great reason for everyone to not abandon him).

Do we have to kill all the Brass Blades and Crystal Braves? No. Kill the leaders: Teledji, Lolorito, Ilberd, and that other lalafel. Without leadership, the riff-raff will eventually lose their appetite for death, especially when they see enough bodies piled up at the feet of the General of the Immortal Flames and the legendary Warrior of Light. Most of these people have been bought with coin and they have limited motivation to throw away their lives against someone with god-like powers.

As for the opinion of the common folk, they are already 100% behind me. They already don't believe I killed the Sultana. Everyone in Uldah knows the Syndicate is corrupt and would have no problem believing that they were behind the death of the Sultana and that the Warrior of Light and Raubahn gave them their comeuppance. As the Warrior of Light, I am the greatest hero in the world in the eyes of the common people and a political outsider to Uldah. They will believe what I say and fall in line under Raubahn as the new leader of Uldah. Besides that, Raubahn is already a hero in the eyes of the common man, the General of the Immortal Flames, and was always at the Sultana's side. He is the natural successor in the eyes of the people already.

We don't know about other members of the Syndicate, but we do know that they never anticipated Raubahn would just say "F*** it" and actually kill them. The Syndicate members are selfish opportunists gaming the political and economic systems, not a bunch of possessed lunatics bent on destroying the world. Self-preservation comes first and they would probably try to distance themselves from the plot rather than double-down and put their necks on the line.

The Immortal Flames are a standing army for Ul'dah, but as the story stated, they were all moved out of the city. They are tied up on other fronts including the front line against Garlemald. The Brass Blades hold Ul'dah. Even if we took down the Brass Blades, Ul'dah's military strength would be crippled. The Brass Blades handle all of Ul'dah's domestic defence and policing.

Even if we did take out the Brass Blades leaders, who exactly is going to lead or pay them in their stead. The Brass Blades are payed for by the Monetarists. This is assuming that taking out said leadership is that simple or that we have seen all those who hold power. If one lives then Ul'dah is in civil war and the Eorzean alliance is crippled.

As for the commonfolk, yes, they are behind the warrior of Light. They are because the WoL has done nothing to convince them otherwise. However if we aided Raubahn in wiping out the leadership of Ul'dah while under accusation of murdering Nanamo and put Raubahn up as leader, all in one night, how exactly would that look? Rumors would be rife. This would be a straight up coup. The Monetarists had done nothing illegal in detaining us on accusation and though we were innocent, Raubahn did assassinate one of Ul'dah's leaders and thus broke Ul'dah law. We are going to look damn suspicious. Do remember that the second highest Immortal Flame was just shown to be a Garlean spy. The people would likely be open to suspicions they usually wouldn't have had.

When leaders ignore their own laws, it undermines those laws. Such a brutal removal of the Monetarists from power without proof of wrongdoing on their part and without the support of the law would be inviting chaos. No one would trust Raubahn to respect his own laws. Ul'dah would be crippled economically and financially and the second would make Ul'dah's people very unhappy.