People Need to Start Respecting Healers More

[Seraphyna]

Ho well, people, get real!

It is about everyone's job:

1. Healer, will keep everyone alive
2. Tank, will get all the mobs and all the aggro
3. DPS, will burn the mobs down

Healers is little easier than tank, just watch health, cure, and dispel what is needed. And follow mechanics as everyone else. But again, if they mess something, a wipe is something that can easily happen. They have that burden too.

Really? You have got to be kidding me.

Healers (well as a WHM) I am expected:

1. to Heal
2. to DPS
3. to TANK

Why are healers expected to cover the slack of the party when it doesn't meet the requirements of a duty at hand?

I don't see Tanks being required to heal content. I don't see DPS being required to tank content.

Why are Healers the only ones required to cover for the ENTIRE party?

Either people need to learn their jobs and start picking up their slack or seriously SE needs to nerf healers so that parties cannot rely on healers to cover their asses like they do now. Because I for one am really sick of the abuse.

[Gillionaire]

Really? You have got to be kidding me.

Healers (well as a WHM) I am expected:

1. to Heal
2. to DPS
3. to TANK

. . .I for one am really sick of the abuse.

I've never been expected to tank or even dps for that matter.. I sometimes choose to out of boredom but that's a different story.
Also, even if you do end up doing all that, why is that so difficult? Maybe you need to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure if you think you're pulling the weight of everybody else and you're the only one doing any work.. You sound like you're overwhelmed.


Healing is by far the easiest job I've done in ff14 (I don't imagine dps would be any harder tbh, I just don't play it because of queue.. Hell the entire game is easy as cake!!)
Especially with WHM, I just go in, pop Medica 2. run around a little and pop regen and cure 1s. If that's too hard for you, really.. Hello Kitty Island awaits you.

[Eye_Gore]

I don't see Tanks being required to heal content.

I tried that once. During Titan HM, everyone dead except me and the MT. Titan down to a sliver of health, went last ditch effort and tried healing him, didn't work out so well.

[Kosmos992k]

I tried that once. During Titan HM, everyone dead except me and the MT. Titan down to a sliver of health, went last ditch effort and tried healing him, didn't work out so well.

Hmmm... MT and DPS left, Titan nearly down, Limit break gauge full, DPS low on health.

Hallowed ground, heal the DPS as much as possible to give them time to use the LB, use whatever cool downs are left, and probably die. But if the LB hits, it's curtains for Titan....either way, smile knowing that your sacrifice may have saved the run.

Let me clarify. MT is WAR and I'm PLD. Limit gauge I do not remember where it was but since I'm not a DPS even if I did use it not sure if it would have helped. Titan HM hits way to hard and fast for my PLD to cast enough cure to even see a noticeable increase in that WAR HP bar.

Oh, indeed, I was simply meaning that it is possible for a MT (PLD) to improvise as a healer in certain circumstances. I've actually been in the situation I outlined, but sadly the DPS player did not realize that the LB would have been enough, and well...the rest was a painful end.

[Eye_Gore]

Hmmm... MT and DPS left

Let me clarify. MT is WAR and I'm PLD. Limit gauge I do not remember where it was but since I'm not a DPS even if I did use it not sure if it would have helped. Titan HM hits way to hard and fast for my PLD to cast enough cure to even see a noticeable increase in that WAR HP bar.

[Ashkendor]

But when a DPS is playing out of their minds and the tanks and healers are still getting rewarded for it, I'm calling shenanigans.

I've had 2 or 3 instances now in Titan HM where all four DPS got knocked off and we were left with two tanks and one or two healers to finish it off from about 20% on. You know what? We finished every one. I think I got one commendation for DPS'ing my ass off as OT and not getting hit by a single mechanic (aside from unavoidable AoE damage, of course). I couldn't tell you how many of them went to the healers because I'd queued solo. Hell, I ran a Halatali HM where the healer and both DPS either ignored or forgot about 100 tonze swing, and I ended up soloing the boss on Warrior for giggles. I at least got the commendations for that one, though. xD

Healers (well as a WHM) I am expected:

1. to Heal
2. to DPS
3. to TANK

I find the last one hard to believe. I've never met someone that actually expected a WHM to tank. They may be expected to kite adds (I'm looking at you, Cutter's Cry) but there's usually alternate ways to do the fight. They may rip hate occasionally on mobs that the tank doesn't have a solid hold on yet, but most tanks I've seen tend either to pull them back ASAP or use Cover on the WHM. The only time I personally will leave a mob on either a healer or DPS is if it's so close to dead that it doesn't even matter anyway because it dies in 2 seconds.

I don't see Tanks being required to heal content. I don't see DPS being required to tank content.

Warriors can't heal (except themselves) and Paladin healing is pathetic at best. I've seen my Paladin crit a Cure for just under 400. A healer heals more than that in Cleric Stance. My Black Mage, who is significantly less geared, crits for 600+. DPS can tank adds pretty easily; if you run Garuda X with a single tank, for example, a DPS will end up tanking Chirada. Seriously, if it bothers you that much just don't DPS as a WHM. Stand around and do the bare minimum, by all means. Just don't expect to earn many commendations for it. *shrugs*

Either people need to learn their jobs and start picking up their slack or seriously SE needs to nerf healers so that parties cannot rely on healers to cover their asses like they do now. Because I for one am really sick of the abuse.

You must have had some really bad parties. I've spammed Physick as Black Mage to finish a boss fight where a healer died. I've saved my own skin with Bloodbath as a Paladin and with my other self-heals as a Warrior. When you queue in DF, you can't expect to end up with awesome people every time, though. You gotta take your lumps when you end up with a less than stellar party (or eat the half hour penalty if you just can't stand it), and enjoy the runs that you get where everyone is awesome at their job and the whole thing just clicks along perfectly. It's not like people set out to purposely make you do everything. Sometimes everyone needs to pick up some slack.

[Eye_Gore]

Oh, indeed, I was simply meaning that it is possible for a MT (PLD) to improvise as a healer in certain circumstances.

Would be kind of neat if they added an ability with expansion that allowed some kind of emergency heal, we are suppose to be protectors after all.

[Krr]

lol muscle memory.. months of learning curve..
Yeah, this game is just that hard

Pre-zeta weapon Coil DPS checks would like to have a long, painful talk with you.

There is a significant difference between a player who can perform a rotation while watching it, and a player who can perform a rotation without watching it so they can pay attention to the rest of a fight. The former is an average DPS, the latter is an excellent one.

The skill floor for every role is pretty low, but the skill ceilings are all pretty high, IMO, and that makes a big difference if you're doing content more advanced than "don't stand in titan's thing and you'll win eventually."

[Aeyis]

I find the last one hard to believe. I've never met someone that actually expected a WHM to tank.

Oh yeah?

They may be expected to kite adds (I'm looking at you, Cutter's Cry) but there's usually alternate ways to do the fight. They may rip hate occasionally on mobs that the tank doesn't have a solid hold on yet, but most tanks I've seen tend either to pull them back ASAP or use Cover on the WHM. The only time I personally will leave a mob on either a healer or DPS is if it's so close to dead that it doesn't even matter anyway because it dies in 2 seconds.

That's just you personally. I've never done a Cutters Cry where the tank didnt just leave the adds on me all the time. I don't understand why people have to be lazy and not do the proper (and easy) tactic... it's the same thing with turn 2 and its enrage.

DPS can tank adds pretty easily; if you run Garuda X with a single tank, for example, a DPS will end up tanking Chirada. Seriously, if it bothers you that much just don't DPS as a WHM. Stand around and do the bare minimum, by all means. Just don't expect to earn many commendations for it. *shrugs*

I don't get it. People claim they dont expect healers to dps, yet they keep repeating the above. That sounds like your damn well expecting your healer to do a dps's job on top of healing.

When you queue in DF, you can't expect to end up with awesome people every time, though.

Most of the time, not always no. When I'm not being awesome myself that rare time, it would be nice if I didn't have to heal, tank and dps at the same time tho. That's not asking for awesome people. It's asking for people within the limits of normal expectations. (IE: play the role you signed as, and let me play mine)

Hello Kitty Island awaits you.

You mean WoW?

[ClaireAbigail]

Everyone needs to start respecting everyone but hey with the anonymity provided by the interwebz....what can I say?