NIN: Huton spam vs Skill Speed

[Dervy]

I don't get why you'd use Huton above 20s? It makes no sense in my head.

If you manage to get a Ration off at 21s, your Mudra's will be available again (without kassatsu of course) with 1s left on your Huton, where you should be reapplying it. Yes, that is technically making it fall off, but it's falling off as you're recasting it thus your GDC's nor AA's should be affected (unless you're unlucky and your AA is supposed to happen during that 0.5s downtime)

[Darkstride]

I don't get why you'd use Huton above 20s? It makes no sense in my head.

If you manage to get a Ration off at 21s, your Mudra's will be available again (without kassatsu of course) with 1s left on your Huton, where you should be reapplying it. Yes, that is technically making it fall off, but it's falling off as you're recasting it thus your GDC's nor AA's should be affected (unless you're unlucky and your AA is supposed to happen during that 0.5s downtime)

I have a feeling that an unfortunate amount of players don't even watch their timers. They just push buttons when they are off cooldown.

[Judge_Xero]

I have a feeling that an unfortunate amount of players don't even watch their timers. They just push buttons when they are off cooldown.

I just spam whatever move looks the coolest. No point being a DD if you can't look cool being bad at it.

[Maero]

Or do you mean Ninja's who use Hutton well before the fight and then must re apply again because it timed out?
Soooo many Ninja's i have seen do this, and i ask why? I usually only re apply at the 20 second or less mark anything greater then that and other mundras should have been used in between.
Skill Speed in general is not good at all for any class

[Callinon]

I don't get why you'd use Huton above 20s? It makes no sense in my head.

If you manage to get a Ration off at 21s, your Mudra's will be available again (without kassatsu of course) with 1s left on your Huton, where you should be reapplying it. Yes, that is technically making it fall off, but it's falling off as you're recasting it thus your GDC's nor AA's should be affected (unless you're unlucky and your AA is supposed to happen during that 0.5s downtime)

I've done that in specific fights when I know that if I don't, then I'll have to reapply huton at a less convenient time. Garuda HM for instance. I'll reapply huton at 20+ seconds during certain transitions because I know that if I do, then I'll be able to suiton her when I want to as opposed to having to reapply huton then instead.

[Slappah]

Why should I reapply Huton when it falls below 24 seconds? If it's at let's say 22 seconds I'm going to use Raiton/TA/whatever, because by the time my mudra is back up, Huton will still have 2 seconds left.

Or maybe I just didn't understand your post correctly?

If you have no lag, you can use a ninjutsu with 20-22 seconds left and still be able to reapply huton right as it falls off or right before it falls off.

If you have bad latency you should always try reapplying at 24 seconds or under.

I mean, a lot of the time I use suiton or raiton at 17-19 seconds left and at that point you can reapply at huton basically as its falling off or right after it falls off which is worth it imo

[PenutButter]

The only real reason why Skill Speed is horrible for NIN is cuz of Ninjutsu. If your global CD is back before you can finish a spell, then you are losing global CD time. The faster your global CD, the more is wasted. The reason why Huton is amazing despite that is cuz:

1) It's super powerful. 15% is amazing, it would still be great even if it didn't include auto-attacks. You could stack all out Skill Speed and probably won't even reach 10% of what Huton would give you in CD reduction alone. Note that it takes much more to reduce your CD by an absolute amount the lower your CD is but the benefit are also much greater (e.g. it takes much more Skill Speed to reduce 0.1 s from a 2.0 s CD than it does from a 2.5 s CD but the damage % increase is also much greater).

2) It's cheap. Giving up a Raiton for a 70s buff this powerful is a no-brainer.

[Judge_Xero]

The only real reason why Skill Speed is horrible for NIN is cuz of Ninjutsu......

Yeah in a perfect world you could stack skill speed up to a 1.5GCD with Huton and still fit any Mudras in between.

Skills speed is also kind of bad in that it has diminishing returns with Huton.

2.5 GCD @ 0.85 % = 2.125 GCD (Difference of 0.375)
2.0 GCD @ 0.85 = 1.7 GCD (Difference of 0.3)

It will be interesting to see what they do in 3.0

[Callinon]

Skill Speed may gain some value for us when we see how it affects dot ticks. If it could also affect cooldowns then it might not automatically mean we outrun Invigorate too. That'd be pretty sexy.

[Maero]

Yeah come 3.0 things may change for the good, not only for Ninja but much needed changes for smn as well