Mini-Lottery: Maybe a BIT more fairness?

[Vidu]

You got some serious problems with understanding somehow, no? Or do you do this on purpose, perverting my words?

Nope, the only one turning words around like he wants to is you I'm afraid. But yes, I'm afraid I totally fail to understand and follow your thoughts now. Let me try to sum up what I got, okay?

1) Minicacpot is unfair because you can (but cant everytime) win a decent amount of MGP - you were told several times that people are fine with a lottery being luck based. Cant see why you dont understand that here are actually people not aggreing with you and that for a good reason since this is totally "working as intended"

2) Grinds are a bad thing - granted, they can be a bad thing. You said yourself there are as soon as you have to do boring content over and over again but most people seem to consider Gold Saucer content as fun - the ones who posted here, people I know, everyone I see standing around in the Gold Saucer for hours. If people wouldnt consider it fun it would be pretty much dead, wouldnt it? Concepts of fun may differ and I accept that "fun" doesnt mean the same thing for me as it does for you - could you please accept that too and stop pretending like everyone who doesnt agree with you about this subject is a idiot, grinder or elitst player who you dont have to care about? Could you also explain what "fun" means to you that you dont find it in the Gold Saucer? I repeat: Triple Triad itself is fun for me, Chocobo Racing is, the lotterys are (at there current state!) - dont enjoy GATEs and minigames that much but I dont have to care about them, right? I've got the impression the only thing that you consider fun is getting those rewards and not playing any content. (thats why I asked you earlier if those games would mean any fun for you if it wasnt about the rewards - sadly you didnt answerd that but instead claimed that I'm not clever enough to understand you...)

3) MGP are to much of a grind - well, they might are - you're kind of right when you're saying that the only "good" source for MGP is the lottery. But what a lot of people were trying to explain to you is that you dont have to grind this. You dont need fenrir or the gamblers outfit for anything but for yourself - and people who decided that they need it that badly are kinda happy to have a goal they can aim for. Oh but, wait, those are stupi elitst who only want to feel special, aye? Everyone can decided for themself if they want to make gold saucer another grind - and I feel pitty for the people who are doing that...

People keep telling you that they're having fun with all this stuff in the gold saucer - and your answer is: "Well, no, you dont have fun in there you're only saying so because you're elitst/fanboys/being brainwashed by SE". You're not being contructive or "clever" as you claim. You keep jumping from on topic onto another as soon as you realise that you lost ground. You claim to speak for the majority while the majority actually speaks against you - casual players arent looking/writing at the forum? mmh... what are you then...?
You need to change your attitude towards this game when something that is considered to be pure fun in itself bothers you so much that you fail to see that other people are actually just having fun with casual playing of triple triad... the only thing you're looking is "I didnt got lucky today because I didnt got the first prize, fix that!" - and if thats the only thing that you consider fun, I'm sorry for you. If you wanna win everytime go and do something else in this beautiful game - but leave the one thing where you can lose because it is meant to be like that alone...

And I would be really curious what you consider "fun" and why the gold saucer in itself doesnt mean any fun to you (and I'm sorry if you already answered that anywhere but I admit I lost a bit of track since you keep editing your posts everytime you want to...)

[Ooshima]

I were not and I am not. I'm actually making money as a game designer

Which game are you even designing, is it making big money and a big hit yet?

Reading your replies hurts a bit as you don't seem to be consistent and a big round about the milky way before coming back to Earth again. If you can't convince, confuse - so they say?

[Duuude007]

Which game are you even designing, is it making big money and a big hit yet?

Reading your replies hurts a bit as you don't seem to be consistent and a big round about the milky way before coming back to Earth again. If you can't convince, confuse - so they say?

She's consistently inconsistent.

TBH I hope her employer can see her comments here. Would second guess her competence as a game designer in reaction, I would wager.

...If in fact she IS a game designer. after all she admitted she flipped a coin 50 times and got the same side 50 times in a row.

[Milleus]

Though I can see how it may appear unfair to you because you've got cards that will never give a 10k payout,
I'm pretty sure that it is fair in terms of the odds of drawing out a card with the 10k payout option. Meaning to say, everyone has the same chances of drawing such a card.

So technically it isn't unfair? more like.. you've just been unlucky and looking at this issue in a wrong way.
you can still argue for everyone to have a card with a 10k payout option, but that would not improve fairness, only its transparency.

and besides, even if it is really unfair, mini-lottery isn't that game breaking because MGP isn't an exclusive currency that can only be obtained through mini-lottery.. there are alternative methods to earn MGP. E.g. triple triad, gates, choco racing, etc.

[Shadray]

It's just a bit of fun. I've only won the 10k once, doesn't bother me at all. It would be far worse if every tickes could win 10k, everyone would have too much then.

[RobinRethiel]

Since Square told in another thread, that they will raise the MGP gains, I close this pointless discussion here from my side. Goal reached.

[Madigari]

They said they were raising the MGP of chocobo races, not making the lottery pay out more. Not to mention, they were planning on doing that before you even made this thread.

Whatever goals you set out for this thread, they were only met to the extent that they helped you bow out "gracefully".

[DarkmoonVael]

It's still not an inherent part of a MMORPG, no matter how often it occurs. Grinding is bad and easy game design. That's why many bad companies are using it.
Slavery has been a part of human societies over thousands of years. Still, slavery is no inherent part of a society. It's just very lucrative, so it occurred very oftern.

Please go read the discourse Immanuel Kant has on this in the Moral Law, then go and read Rousseau's Social Contact on the theorising of the surrendering of personal liberties. Then after all this please come back to the forums with a little insight and humility on why this analogy was very very very poorly chosen. I am actually shocked that someone would actually compare MMO grinding to slavery.

[RiceisNice]

As someone that's not going through 15 pages and only the first couple of pages

MGP, along with the concept of gold saucer, is in a casino fashion. Especially for a lottery, is random. The thing I don't agree with is the uneven rewards for MGP that all points to TT farming; even if you wanted to raise a racing chocobo, TT farming is more efficient than chocobo racing itself.

On the lottery ticket itself, I've only gotten one ticket where it was possible to get a 10k reward, and one occasion where even following the best odds got me a 36 reward (which is a net loss). RNG is RNG when it comes to these tickets. You can work out the numbers to try to maximize your winnings, but that's not to say you can work out the numbers to always get 10k or even anything higher than 300. Your winnings really is only as high as the tickets will allow you to get (Which you have absolutely no influence on)

[Synestr]

Please go read the discourse Immanuel Kant has on this in the Moral Law, then go and read Rousseau's Social Contact on the theorising of the surrendering of personal liberties. Then after all this please come back to the forums with a little insight and humility on why this anaolgy was very very very poorly chosen. I am actually shocked that someone would actually compare MMO grinding to slavery.

GD! Not enough like buttons so I just repost for emphasis. But for real...indentured servitude = MMO Grind. Ok...now that that is sorted out. Let's talk about loot tables...