Pure RNG is the worst thing ever.

[FranSeara]

Yes, It can be said we all hate RNG. My personal rule with RNG is '"If I dont get something after the first or second try, walk away and go do something else" RNG, should be everywhere in the game. Its the only thing that keeps things fair and even. This is including ALL RAIDS. IMO

[Devils_Lawyer]

People that say "rng is not bad and it dosnt need to change" have never been in the situation where its gone beyond stupid.

When some players can score what they need in 1 run and for others it takes 100+ runs without succes then you need to start looking into adding a backup system for the rng that rewards or atleast increases the drop % if it dosnt happen in a large amount of attempts.

[Ultimatecalibur]

People that say "rng is not bad and it dosnt need to change" have never been in the situation where its gone beyond stupid.

When some players can score what they need in 1 run and for others it takes 100+ runs without succes then you need to start looking into adding a backup system for the rng that rewards or atleast increases the drop % if it dosnt happen in a large amount of attempts.

Use of the bolded word is wrong. You don't need any specific drop from content to complete content. The minimum necessary gear to complete content can be purchased or crafted elsewhere. BiS is a goal not a requirement.

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

Use of the bolded word is wrong. You don't need any specific drop from content to complete content. The minimum necessary gear to complete content can be purchased or crafted elsewhere. BiS is a goal not a requirement.

I'm a competitive person, and strive to be the best I can be. I can see these limits based on what others do. When I push as hard as I can with my inferior gear, and it's simply impossible to be close to them (ie: 370 dps in T10 as Warrior vs 400-450), yea I'm gonna be upset that I am not getting the gear they've gotten doing the same thing each week. I'm cool with some RNG of course, but not this much.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I'm a competitive person, and strive to be the best I can be. I can see these limits based on what others do. When I push as hard as I can with my inferior gear, and it's simply impossible to be close to them (ie: 370 dps in T10 as Warrior vs 400-450), yea I'm gonna be upset that I am not getting the gear they've gotten doing the same thing each week. I'm cool with some RNG of course, but not this much.

So you are crying about a number that you should not be able to see or know about even though you are still completing objectives.

Your equipment needs for FCoB are supplied by Soldiery, Poetics and Crafted gear.

[Izsha]

People that say "rng is not bad and it dosnt need to change" have never been in the situation where its gone beyond stupid.

Speak for yourself. I played ffxi for 9 years. I've been on the crap luck side plenty of times. I've also been on the 1/1 train too. It's almost like of you do enough rng activities....it will balance out over time...almost like a statistical bell curve. Everyone will have their unicorn experiences that they just can't get that 1 thing for ages. But if you keep playing you will get your 1 1s too.

The solution to rng is just play. It works itself out over time, but we have so many short sighted whiners they just see themselves not getting that 1 atma or getting stuck doing 20 of 1 zodiac dungeon. What about the other 15 dungeons for the quest? Didn't get stuck on all of those too did ya? Didn't get stuck on EVERY atma did ya? People run into 1 speed bump and come crying to the forums.

Play more. QQ less. The very nature of rng is to reach even distribution with increased attempts until you reach the true avg. Playing more litterally pushes you towards even ddistribution. Just playing is the answer to make rng less rng.

[Yukiko]

Play more. QQ less. The very nature of rng is to reach even distribution with increased attempts until you reach the true avg. Playing more litterally pushes you towards even ddistribution. Just playing is the answer to make rng less rng.

Thats true in a singleplayer where it generates RANDOMNESS only once every time YOU try, but on a MMO it generates a random number each time a player asks, that can result in the worst that you will repeat to get "the worst" outcome from all possibility numbers (lets compare with rolling a dice, you roll 1, when its your turn to roll again, its 1 again because many others rolled inbetween)... the higher the total rolls are, the more "worst of the worst" you will notice! You can not reach the average Numbers out from RNG if it is counting in other "tries" too! Even when you calculate the number for each player individually its in the nature of the system that you can not bypass the randomness that easily, because each question on the RNG to generate a number is taken into account and not differ between who asked those question!

[Izsha]

Thats true in a singleplayer where it generates RANDOMNESS only once every time YOU try, but on a MMO it generates a random number each time a player asks, that can result in the worst that you will repeat to get "the worst" outcome from all possibility numbers (lets compare with rolling a dice, you roll 1, when its your turn to roll again, its 1 again because many others rolled inbetween)... the higher the total rolls are, the more "worst of the worst" you will notice! You can not reach the average Numbers out from RNG if it is counting in other "tries" too! Even when you calculate the number for each player individually its in the nature of the system that you can not bypass the randomness that easily, because each question on the RNG to generate a number is taken into account and not differ between who asked those question!

You have no idea what your talking about. # of people has no effect on your results. Please take a stats class or something.

[Kyousha]

You have no idea what your talking about. # of people has no effect on your results. Please take a stats class or something.

^ Agree... ^^; Sorry Yukiko. The more people there are doesn't alter the RNG outcome. 2 people can get an atma from a fate, or 20 people can get an atma from a fate. I'm pretty sure RNG only affects per player, not everyone. Unless we're not understanding what you're saying... I just got off of work and I'm eating lunch/multitasking, so I may have missed something that was said.

[Yukiko]

You have no idea what your talking about. # of people has no effect on your results. Please take a stats class or something.

I take stats class if you take programming class, deal?

The more people there are doesn't alter the RNG outcome.

We can discuss with formulas if you like, but then most of the others will quit discussion...