So I was kicked from Halatali today

[Iagainsti]

Quoting a reply by OP. It is relevant.

Again, why does everyone focus on the toxicity and not how to improve oneself irregardless of it?

If casting Aero and Stone in Halatali NM is consider improving your skills, wow, go back to 2.0. Just reading your comments here, one can tell you're a pompous jerk, calling everyone bed-wetters and cry babies, actually using the word "irregardless"(it's not 1748, really?). Truth is, a player got kicked by a bunch of jerks for being what he is, and you, mister main class Gladiator, should be ashamed to not back a healer up, because last time I checked, they watch our tanky backs. Think Twice before picking me out of a crowd, Serawhateveryournameis.

[Moqi]

Still, for WHM it's preferable to doing nothing.

To kill boredom yeah, but in terms of party contribution... no, it's the same thing. The (small) numbers may disagree, but if you look at the bigger picture, a couple of minutes off a run means absolutely nothing. If someone's gotta pee, or your phone rings, or whatever, that time you saved by dpsing is already gone. You're not making any tangible difference, it's all theorycraft circle jerk.

[Lyzern]

To kill boredom yeah, but in terms of party contribution... no, it's the same thing. The (small) numbers may disagree, but if you look at the bigger picture, a couple of minutes off a run means absolutely nothing. If someone's gotta pee, or your phone rings, or whatever, that time you saved by dpsing is already gone. You're not making any tangible difference, it's all theorycraft circle jerk.

I think you're seriously underestimating the damage healers can do. I don't know the exact numbers, but I can assure you that whenever I go as Tank and get a Healer that sits around acting like an action figure, the runs are so much more boring and dull than when I get a Healer that does his job properly. I can't say anything when I queue as a healer, because obviously I can't see the difference then.

[Moqi]

Outside of Holy spam I don't think so, certanly not in Halatali story mode. In HM dungeons it's more noticeable, but even if it were 5 minutes... they're only 5 minutes. It feels a lot smoother and dynamic, but is it really that shorter? It takes me more time to boot up the PS4 and log in.

I am hardly out of Cleric Stance, but on the rare occasion that I am doing something else/chatting in LS/can't be bothered and I just DS+regen, I don't feel the difference is that much - certanly not enough to warrant being kicked out, called lazy, incompetent, bad, or whatever else some people hurl at these healers.

[SeraviEdalborez]

If you think your contribution is nothing, you're an idiot. There is little difference between a SCH and a pet-less SMN, certainly next to none pre-50. Likewise there is little difference between a CNJ/WHM's damage output and that of a DPS without cooldowns. It's due to a magic little thing called Cleric Stance.

If you think healer contribution is irrelevant just because it's less than an actual DPS (evidently you don't care how much less), then you may as well just stop using cooldowns on DPS and put away your weapon on tank when you have established a hate lead.

Time saved is time saved is time saved. 5 minutes is not a lot to you but it may be 10% of someone's daily play time. Get more stuff done, get it done efficiently. What is wrong with wanting this at the "price" of a miniscule amount of effort?

[Moqi]

Chill .

[ChameleonMS]

Time saved is time saved is time saved. 5 minutes is not a lot to you but it may be 10% of someone's daily play time. Get more stuff done, get it done efficiently. What is wrong with wanting this at the "price" of a miniscule amount of effort?

Nothing is wrong with wanting efficiency but threatening and kicking a person over a minor inefficiency most definitely is.
If you desire the community to improve dungeon efficiency this much, make a change when you play; Encourage and Educate the less skilled on how better to improve themselves. Share that wealth of knowledge you have acquired but do it kindly otherwise you will just perpetuate the problem. You must exercise patience when doing this because less skilled players will make mistakes and deaths/wipes will occur during the learning process.

[Moqi]

If 5 minutes are that important to you, you shouldn't be pugging dungeons anyway, what with all the hitches that can happen. If they're not, you're fussing over nothing.

[Skyhunter]

Nothing is wrong with wanting efficiency but threatening and kicking a person over a minor inefficiency most definitely is.

Not to mention how inefficient it is to have to wait 5-10 minutes for a new healer.

On a serious note, another reason I tend to be hesitant to DPS is because of the sheer number of party-wiping mishaps that can occur, most especially when playing with randoms from the duty finder. I can understand DPS'ing more when you are playing with players you know and understand such as those from a FC, but when you are playing with randoms, you can never truly know what is about to happen, and you would be surprised how often it can go south. As a matter of fact, I would say that so far, 1 in 3 dungeons I run, someone somewhere makes a game-changing mistake (yes, sometimes that someone is me as well), and I think there is something to be said for the healer always being ready to fix the mistakes. As a healer, when someone messes up, you're the last resort.

Just yesterday I was playing some dungeons and such in the DF and there were two notable mistakes I encountered in two separate dungeons. The first was in Haukke Manor, and I myself was playing as a BLM. When we got to the final boss, the healer ended up getting killed quickly once the adds spawned in (he was new and was not prepared for the adds). Now, because I am used to healing, I always carry Physick on my BLM. Doing so, I was able to keep the other DPS and the tank alive and we finished the dungeon without a wipe. If I wasn't so careful, we would have wiped possibly numerous times (I'm not saying that in arrogance, I don't know if the tank or the other DPS (a rogue) had a healing spell, but their heals wouldn't have kept the group alive).

My next fiasco was on my first run through Syrcus Tower. This was a custom-made group so we had 1 tank, 2 healers (of which I was one) and 5 DPS in our alliance. We were fighting Amon at the time, and I was choosing to remain off of cleric stance simply because I didn't know the fight aside from a video I had watched. I wanted to be safe. Our other healer was relatively far in the game judging by the fact he had between 5k-5.5k HP with his gear (versus my 4.5k HP), and he was spending most of his time in Cleric Stance. He was doing a fair bit of damage, but at one point for whatever reason he was slow on the switch from Cleric Stance, and him, along with two of our DPS were all three killed. Being that I was only focusing on heals at the time, I made sure Regen was on my tank and Medica II all around, used Swiftcast and raised the healer, and we were able to proceed without wiping.

Now, this is not me trying to get a pat on the back. My point I am trying to make is that, although at the time it may have seemed like using Cleric Stance was helping the run by speeding up the process, having the healer get killed and, in the case of Amon, two of our DPS as well, certainly did NOT speed up the kill whatsoever. The point I want to make is that, although it may not seem like it, there is in fact something to be said in terms of speed and efficiency for ensuring that wiping or failing is a much less likely option. I know that in the case of Amon had I been on Cleric Stance, I would not have had the time to get off of it and into saving my team simply because of lack of experience and for how fast the fight was moving (and the other healer certainly didn't have the time either, even WITH his supposed experience).

I think all in all it should be remembered that on several occasions, eliminating failure can be just as progressive as attempting to speed up success.

[Causality]

I see a healer with Cleric stance on, I assume they're bored and pull more mobs. If a healer has time to be in cleric stance, then the tank needs to pull more mobs. At least that's my tanking Philosphy