Low probabilities of Triple Triad drops, big fish, etc. Grinds becoming unreal.

[Izsha]

They are NOT synonymous. With a quota everyone puts in the same effort for the same reward. With RNG you might have some get lucky on their first try, and some take many times the 'average' number of tries to get the reward. You punish or reward players for circumstances they have no agency in.

Missing the point. Dev goal: make players repeat content. Rng and quotas are identical at achieving that goal for a large playerbase. When you have 100s of thousands of players the statistical avg will be met and the (dev) desired levels continued replay of the content is achieved buying tike until new content is developed. They serve the same function of making players replay content. Synonymous. How it affects players on a micro scale is different and the psychological pulls are different, but still present in both.

From dev perspective they are functionally the same. Tool used to support replay. Again, some players prefer rng over quotas because they each trigger a different part of the brain that encourages you to repeat a process. Both work, but in varying degrees to different people. Not liking rng doesn't make quotas 'more right' than the rng approach. I have only been speaking about rng and quotas as tools. Not advocating. The tools will be used because there are only a very limited set to work with to encourage replay. Rng isn't going anywhere because it works.

[MistyMew]

theres a huge difference between being "fair" and being "the right thing to do" extreme rng for any player is not acceptable. there should alwaysssss be a hidden cap to avoid the extremes.

i would rather ppl remain content then so frustrated they quit.

its a horrible idea to allow such extremes in rng..horrible

[FranSeara]

Fair but not always fun. SE should get rid of the extreme unlucky outliers by making it so after x number of attempts, you are guaranteed the drop. This number should be higher than the average (i.e. not do away with the luck factor completely) but low enough so that dedicated players know they will see an eventual payoff for all their effort.

Yeap, RNG may not be fun (Here's looking at you, many turns in coil,some primals fights, RPGs in a whole: example, the SMT series of one shot death spells and this games later parts of the relic quest and lastly those Cards.) but RNG keeps things fair. Me, I'd like the weapons,cards and anything else of "Rare" value to have some other way to "EARN" them.

[DoctorPepper]

Just throwing it out there, at this point I've completed around 200+ various hard mode primals (mostly shiva/ramuh/levi) while working on nexus light and have only gotten 2 garuda cards total. If it weren't for the nexus I'm working on I would have given up a long time ago now. It seems like there are only a handful of people in this thread defending the grind and most of them have stories of luck to tell. I get that rarity is the goal here but the 1% drop rate I've been getting seems a little low for me to enjoy it.

[TheGrimace]

Special little snowflakes who got their Terra card in one run want to remain looking like special little snowflakes.

[Feron]

"IT COULD BE SO MUCH WORSE!" is not a defense. If you think about ever typing these words, and you're not intentionally trolling, please stop, hit the Delete button until the words have vanished from the screen, and then turn your computer off and go to bed.

Complaining about bad things is how bad things become better.

Sticking your head in the sand is how fools are exploited.

[Radkat]

Get rid of grind. Introduce instant gratification content. Hardcore players blaze through new content in 3 days. Quit because nothing left to do. Subscription dries up. Content dries up. Game dies. WoW happy.

[TheGrimace]

Get rid of grind. Introduce instant gratification content. Hardcore players blaze through new content in 3 days. Quit because nothing left to do. Subscription dries up. Content dries up. Game dies. WoW happy.

Cool, I'll stay. More fun for me.

That's also taking things to the very extreme, you should know.

[Redgate]

Get rid of grind. Introduce instant gratification content. Hardcore players blaze through new content in 3 days. Quit because nothing left to do. Subscription dries up. Content dries up. Game dies. WoW happy.

Don't read thread. Comment on posts in thread. Make an ass out of yourself. People point it out. Go full damage control in next post. Read post calling you on this. Decide not to go damage control to "fight the man."

[NoahArks]

Cards aren't really that hard to get, or I'm just lucky? First WoD run of the week and I got the Onion Knight, I also have Ifrit and garuda cards.

I swear, you people think this games grind is hard? Try PSO2 farming for 11/12* weapons and units, RO's atrocious drop rates... even the relic quest now isnt as bad as XI's.

"- Unable to catch Shonisaurus or Kuno the Killer (out of 4-5 30-45 min windows)."

I fkin lol'd.

It's pretty easy to get 11/12* weapons. Just do a tower defense 3 on superhard and at the end you'll already get a full batch of 10/11/12* equips.