MGP too much of a grind

[Eye_Gore]

Because 100+ hours of 'minigame fun' for a mount is a good medium between super grindy and a hand out; right?

GTFO.

You know where the door is.

[Feron]

You know where the door is.

This is seriously the most petulant, childlike, and irrational answer you could give someone.

Complaining about something bad is how bad things become better. The MGP grind is pretty bad. Even if you make 10k mgp a day, 1 million is a HUNDRED DAYS.

And OMG the person who threw out 133 hours like it was a nothing stat....LAWL. You people are hilarious. A hundred thirty-three hours is 4 hours a day for a whole month. Every day. Grinding mgp and doing nothing else for four hours a day. Get out of here with that ridiculousness!!! LOL!

[Eye_Gore]

This is seriously the most petulant, childlike, and irrational answer you could give someone.

But its true. When I went into GS for the first time. I saw the prices on things and what payouts were. Played a couple games and walked right back out that door, well teleported out. Now I just drop in for the daily/weekly cactpot. It is what it is, but the complainers will no doubt get to the devs and they will nerf things like they have done just to shut people up, but there will always be something else to complain about.

[Welsper59]

The MGP grind is pretty bad. Even if you make 10k mgp a day, 1 million is a HUNDRED DAYS.

This is not including any variables, such as Cactpot winnings or otherwise I'm assuming, as 20sec of effort if you can win that potential 10k daily isn't exactly something to complain about. So a little over 3 months essentially? How long have you been playing FFXIV again?

[Feron]

This is not including any variables, such as Cactpot winnings or otherwise I'm assuming, as 20sec of effort if you can win that potential 10k daily isn't exactly something to complain about. So a little over 3 months essentially? How long have you been playing FFXIV again?

You are acting like winning the 10k daily jackpot is even remotely a sure thing. Or that doing it 100 times in a row is even remotely plausible. Or even possible (it's not). It should not even be considered as a factor, or in the very least, you should take the average jackpot won and use it as your variable. It's not even going to come close to 10k. Cherry picking data isn't influential.

Are you sure? Ending sentences with "lawl"s and "lol"s in bold seems childlike and irrational. Maybe it's just me.

Well apparently outlandishness is en vogue here; just trying my best to fit in. When people act like 133 hours of doing nothing but grinding minigames is insignificant, I think a LAWL is warranted. It's not an insignificant amount of time, and it's not a reasonable amount of time. It's crazy.

I totally, 100% acknowledge that these are all vanity items. The mounts, the costumes, the pets, etc, all just vanity. I don't think they should be quick to get.

I also can totally, 100% acknowledge that the prices are insane and basically there to 1) satisfy only a small percentage of the player base who have countless hours to kill and little "content" to fill it with, and b) make the Golden Saucer patch stretch out as long as possible. 100 days is not a "quick" amount of time. Spending even 30 days to get one item is a "long" amount of time to me because the opportunity cost is so immense.

I was super excited to read about the Golden Saucer but it was a big letdown. I would like it to improve but there's just such vocal opposition to the notion that anything should not be an excruciating and interminable grind.

[Welsper59]

You are acting like winning the 10k daily jackpot is even remotely a sure thing. Or that doing it 100 times in a row is even remotely plausible. Or even possible (it's not). It should not even be considered as a factor, or in the very least, you should take the average jackpot won and use it as your variable. It's not even going to come close to 10k. Cherry picking data isn't influential.

... who said anything about the Cactpot being a sure thing? In fact, you didn't even mention the Cactpot at all. I literally started off by saying that it wasn't being included. LITERALLY SAID IT lol. It's implying that anything earned from Cactpot (doesn't have to be 10k) was not being included when I mentioned 3 months. So... even quicker than the mentioned 100 days if you luck out with daily/weekly Cactpot? I must emphasize again, that it's NOT including potential Cactpot earnings, as I've stated repeatedly. Maybe you were referring to the Cactpot, but there was ZERO indication in your post to suggest that. Pretending (or forgetting) that you did (or didn't) say certain things, combined with making up other things, is a very bad habit that I suggest you stop doing lol. As a side note, 10k per day is easily possible to do without much luck required, albeit mind numbingly boring for the handful of hours it might take (under 2 if you win against Indolent Soldier every minute).

Still though, these are long term investment items. If you want it fast, you're going to be dedicating a crapload of time to get it in this short time-span you're hoping to get it in. MMORPG, the genre that is designed to last a player YEARS, afterall. Why risk making every reward quick and easy to obtain, which then ends up boring any long term players by giving nothing to work towards? If all you want is something like the Fenrir mount, and nothing else about the Gold Saucer interests you or anyone else, then clearly... this content is not for you. Most of us, believe it or not, actually have fun with progressing towards the reward. It's fulfilling, in its own way. Something that, I'm assuming, you're viewing as tedious... probably because you're likely just thinking about the reward being so far away.

[Feron]

I must emphasize again, that it's NOT including potential Cactpot earnings, as I've stated repeatedly. [sic] As a side note, 10k per day is easily possible to do without much luck required, albeit mind numbingly boring for the handful of hours it might take (under 2 if you win against Indolent Soldier every minute).

I'm not pretending or ignoring anything, thanks. This whole argument is about subjective perceptions of tedium. You think "a handful of hours" every day for weeks on end is fine. I don't. That's the argument in a nutshell. You can assert that it's "easy"; ease has nothing to do with it. You can say that "its meant to last years" and I will boggle at that concept. Other people can use the tired excuse that people complaining "just want a handout", and that's equally ridiculous.

"Tedium" literally means "tiresome because of length or dullness". Admitting that something is "mind numbingly boring" is pretty much admitting that it's tedious, but whatever.

People's perspectives have gotten warped by years of MMO developers pushing out substandard products and people just gobbling it up because there's no alternative. The reason there's no alternative is because the consumers don't demand better.

There can be a happy medium between "handed out for free" and "tedious grind". The Saucer is not even close to being at that point, and people are entirely justified in complaining about it.

I'm done with this thread, so you can have the last word, and that will be that for my part. If this content "just isnt for me" then that's fine, and maybe ill unsubscribe, and FFXIV will lose another 15 bucks a month.

Because that's good for the health of the game. That's what lovers of this game should strive for: fewer subscriptions. Right? Sure.

[Welsper59]

I'm not pretending or ignoring anything, thanks. This whole argument is about subjective perceptions of tedium. You think "a handful of hours" every day for weeks on end is fine. I don't. That's the argument in a nutshell. You can assert that it's "easy"; ease has nothing to do with it. You can say that "its meant to last years" and I will boggle at that concept. Other people can use the tired excuse that people complaining "just want a handout", and that's equally ridiculous.

"Tedium" literally means "tiresome because of length or dullness". Admitting that something is "mind numbingly boring" is pretty much admitting that it's tedious, but whatever.

People's perspectives have gotten warped by years of MMO developers pushing out substandard products and people just gobbling it up because there's no alternative. The reason there's no alternative is because the consumers don't demand better.

There can be a happy medium between "handed out for free" and "tedious grind". The Saucer is not even close to being at that point, and people are entirely justified in complaining about it.

LOL You really are a rather oblivious person, aren't you? I literally pointed out what you ignored, but you apparently don't believe that part of the argument existed so... okay man. That part of my post had nothing to do with subjective perceptions, as it literally was there lol. That's what I was referring to as you ignoring what you said, and why I replied with what I did. You are right, however about the subjective nature of "easy", something that I didn't dispute. The time investment part though, that's perfectly fine. You do what you need to do to get things done. It's called "planning". If you can only play a total of 5hrs a week, there's ZERO reason why you should expect to get anything at the same time as people who spend that long every day. It's how everything works. Can it be too long to get? SURE! But that's also subjective. See how that works? It's a two-way street.

The MMORPG genre, specifically this game for reference, has changed drastically for the better. If you were around over a decade ago playing these games, you'd probably see that fact. If you were actually around, it's unfortunate that you (along with some others) refuse to actually see what's in front of you. There is always room for improvement, but the time requirement for unnecessary side goods isn't exactly something too important lol. Maybe I'm just one of those people who don't mind a lengthy grind designed to take months, so long on my own personal terms (i.e. majority of the process being something I don't need to rely on others for). Surprise, surprise though... MMORPGs fit my perspective. It's like what I replied to someone else in a different thread about the high cost items.

Honestly, 1mil seems perfectly fine to me. It's a vanity mount meant to showcase prestige (and luck, in the case of winning the Jumbo Cactpot). No different than driving around expensive cars IRL. They showcase little to no practical use for anyone besides showing off or making yourself feel unique/above others. It'd be like the Fungah achievement title. Showcases little to no skill in having it, but it certainly is something for e-peen and personal achievement, which is exactly why these things exist.

If this content "just isnt for me" then that's fine, and maybe ill unsubscribe, and FFXIV will lose another 15 bucks a month.

Because that's good for the health of the game. That's what lovers of this game should strive for: fewer subscriptions. Right? Sure.

Better than negative players complaining all the time about things that are not intended for them. I think even the devs will agree that losing a few self-destructive players over decisions that concern the genre itself is of minimal to no loss in the grand scheme of things.

I say the same thing to everyone who says what you did. Trust me, you're not anywhere remotely as important as you might believe yourself to be, at least when it comes to being a subscription player. There are tons of players who quit and tons who join. This is how business works when you deal with an MMORPG. So again, if you do quit, you're still nothing but a generic statistic, just the same as the rest of us that stay. Welcome to the family. Now, stop crying for attention, as though you really believe you matter as an individual to a business catering to millions.

Then again, you'll probably ignore that part too, assuming you're lying about being done with this thread anyway. Continue on.

[Moqi]

People's perspectives have gotten warped by years of MMO developers pushing out substandard products and people just gobbling it up because there's no alternative. The reason there's no alternative is because the consumers don't demand better.

This is the most reasonable post on the forum. I feel like arguing with a brainwashed mass of people anytime I mention a grind, so used to it they don't even have any arguments to defent it except "it's always been this way" or "but this other game is way worse!". Baffling. I'm glad I took a step back, put all the time I wasted on them in perspective and realized how little it was worth before I got sucked in the MMO mentality.

[LandricFrey]

This is seriously the most petulant, childlike, and irrational answer you could give someone.

Are you sure? Ending sentences with "lawl"s and "lol"s in bold seems childlike and irrational. Maybe it's just me.

On Topic: I work two jobs and know that I'll never get a lot of the items in this game. So what? It's just a game, and who knows, you may hit it big on the cactpot and get what you want. Gold Saucer is going to be around for years, you have plenty of time to earn what you desire.