Sick of unjust vote dismisses

[Adire]

But 2 is a majority. You don't get to have a place on the jury at your own trial. There are 3 people that have decide if you are harrassing, afk, whatever because they are the affected party. I don't want some troll in my run wiping us every 30 sec to get a vote to stay. 3/3 is unanimous.

The giving more power was more a reference to when vote kick threads pop up in the past and someone suggests people vote kicked a ton (trolls) should eat a penalty (some have suggested full day bans etc) is just another abusable tool.

As for SE banning vote kick abuse harder, I don't even know what the punishment is right now tbh. Of course it's worth spending resources to correct, which they currently do. But how MUCH. A players 30 min lost isn't very much monetarily. 15 a month, 30 days, let's say 2 hrs a day. 60 hrs/15 bucks 25 cents an hr. Half an hour. How much attention does 12 cents buy you? Not much. If you play a lot it's even less. A couple cents doesn't earn you the best gm lawyers at your beck and call. It's just not realistic. The 509 essay was an exaggeration, but the costs of creating a more complex system to report and hiring people to address those reports is not. And in the end, all this effort would only be helpful to a statistically small problem that is rooted in player interaction which is the hardest, most complex type of mmo problem to fix. You can't fix people.

That's the thing though! Since the person being kicked has no vote, one other person's vote will be nullified as well. Whether the person votes Yes or No, the same result will happen if 2 others vote Yes: the person will be kicked. In example, that DD I mentioned. The 2 dps wanted the healer gone. The healer could not vote, and I voted no. Because the healer could not vote, it was my lone vote vs. the 2 dps. So, 2 people got what they wanted, and 2 didn't. The healer and I were both disenfranchised because of this system. That is not a majority. The way vote kick is now, it's a race to see who starts the kick first if this situation happens. It's even more problematic that the entire reason the 2 did it was to be able to get a majority to vote abandon, since neither me or the healer would vote Yes on that. They abused a feature in order to abuse another feature.

The same thing happened in Halatali. 2 people wanted me gone, and me and the other person wanted them gone. They started the kick first, so I was gone. Because I had no right to vote, and the other person could not save me with their No vote. And because they hit the button first. I imagine the other person was removed after me too. I politely tanked the whole dungeon for them and got nothing, they abusively kicked me and got everything. It was a waste of my time, and while not costing me much numbers-wise, it was a very bad experience that was still a waste of my time.

Not to mention, this isn't a trial. Trials are supposed to have an impartial jury and/or judge.

As for the giving more power thing, I think we were thinking about two different things. I was speaking about what SE does to their account, not a lockout timer or anything like that. Apologies if I wasn't very clear with what I meant there.

I don't believe much is done to people, as people clearly don't fear abusing the feature. The GM responses someone mentioned earlier don't click with the warning in the kick window and the claimed severity of punishments possible for people who abuse it. The GM responses were pretty much "We can't do anything to them most of them time". One even said that a kick against a player just because you don't like their playstyle is allowed.

And I'm aware it's not much money, but it's still our money, going to SE. The ability of players to waste your time at all using a feature intended to have the opposite effect shows there's a problem with said feature. I also don't see how reading a kick reason, comparing it to an abuse report, and reading chat logs is a lot more work than what they already do.