So I was kicked from Halatali today

[Lyzern]

You are a healer it is not your job to DPS they are just being rude. The reason you have DPS capability is so you can run some things by yourself, such as leaves etc. In a party your primary job is to heal.

Please don't give bad advice just to make the OP feel better, this is just not acceptable. The reason you have damage spells is so that you can USE them. It doesn't matter where. If everyone's healed at 100%, you SHOULD be doing damage, not looking at the birds.

You should have reported a.s.a.p. If you didn't feel like dps'ing for any reason that's your prerogative, period.

coolcool, I'm gonna start not using my summoner's pet or not turning on Defiance because I didn't feel like it, let's all be sub-optimal and drag our teammates down with us, yay!

So much what, wut, lol and roflcakes that I can't even meme anymore

Holy. 200 Potency. 2.5 seconds cast time.

Cleric Stance, makes you deal as much damage as you heal, switching the stats and increasing the damage by 10%.

How in the world is this NOT damage that's designed to deal damage in parties? Please, tell me how many DD classes have this much damage burst* in the game?

*Burst: Low duration, high damage. I'm not trying to compete with the DPS of a pure damage dealer.

[Woggers]

A healer who doesn't DPS is like a BRD that doesn't sing. Sure you'll be fine without but it makes the run quicker and smoother if you do.

Plus learning to multitask will make you a better player.

[Eye_Gore]

I've seen plenty of healers not DPS'ing in low level dungeons just stand there (hey its one less aggro I need to watch). Do I even bother to say anything to them? Nope, don't care, are we dying, are we that pressed for time that we will save a mere second if that on the mob if they do DPS? Cast time is so long by the time they even get anything off the mob is just about dead. There is a reason why they are called healers, tanks and DPS classes. Someone who gets a hair across their arse for something this stupid is the one who should be kicked. So many people so concerned about how others play, shut your trap and get a move on. What did you save mere seconds on the run cause a healer threw in a few DPS? Do your job and everything will be alright.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I don't agree with them kicking you at all. However, it is greatly appreciated and shows good will in speeding to the progression of the dungeon if you'll dps as a healer. Just top off the tank, Divine Seal+Regen and Eye for an Eye the tank then Swiftcast+Holy then holy again. Check tank health and if it's stable Holy again. Turn off clerics. Heal tank. Keep in mind Holy will stun the mobs so there shouldn't be damage going out while you are dpsing in this way.

You could try doing this with clerics off until you feel more comfortable. You also don't need to continuously dps. Just a little bit of initial damage is very helpful.

[KisaiTenshi]

Please don't give bad advice just to make the OP feel better, this is just not acceptable. The reason you have damage spells is so that you can USE them. It doesn't matter where. If everyone's healed at 100%, you SHOULD be doing damage, not looking at the birds.



coolcool, I'm gonna start not using my summoner's pet or not turning on Defiance because I didn't feel like it, let's all be sub-optimal and drag our teammates down with us, yay!



Holy. 200 Potency. 2.5 seconds cast time.

Cleric Stance, makes you deal as much damage as you heal, switching the stats and increasing the damage by 10%.

How in the world is this NOT damage that's designed to deal damage in parties? Please, tell me how many DD classes have this much damage burst* in the game?

*Burst: Low duration, high damage. I'm not trying to compete with the DPS of a pure damage dealer.

Are you choosing to TL;DNR?

The game is designed around three roles. One of those is a healer. It would be silly for the healer to not be able to use their own DPS skills like it would be silly for the summoner to not be able to use their healing skills. You don't expect one from the other, so don't give healers grief for not DPS'ing.

[KikoriL]

The game is designed around three roles. One of those is a healer. It would be silly for the healer to not be able to use their own DPS skills like it would be silly for the summoner to not be able to use their healing skills. You don't expect one from the other, so don't give healers grief for not DPS'ing.

That's a poor stance for your argument. Over the course of the game, the name of the game for most players has become being able to squeeze out as much DPS as they can while still fulfilling their role. It's why tanks are seen in STR accessories these days as well; their role may be to soak damage and hold enmity, but if they can get away with adding extra damage without sacrificing their ability to be the tank, why not? By your stance, tanks shouldn't do this, and instead stack as much VIT as they can and not fret over damage because tanks. Anyone who's kept up with tanking (or even at all clearing) Coil at all can tell you why this is generally wrong.
So there's far less grief to give a SMN for not using Physick mid-fight than there is for a healer to not do any damage during any time when everyone in the party is at 90% to 100% HP. One's about a DPS doing less DPS, one's about a healer doing nothing during downtime. Still not encouraging grief to be given for healers solely healing, but there is potential for more, and sometimes expectations and necessity for more.

[Buff_Archer]

I hope they had fun waiting for a replacement healer to join in progress. I bet they ended up with a much longer dungeon run due to waiting on a replacement than they'd have had if it had been a Scholar running through in Cleric Stance from the very beginning.

[Eloah]

Was going into Halatali for my daily low level as a 50 WHM. About 10 minutes in, one of the DPS tells me to stop being worthless and help DPS or I'm going to get kicked. We had a new guy with us so I am NOT putting on Cleric Stance (something I tend to only do when I am 100% sure I'll be ok doing so due to the mana consumption of DPS'ing as well as the pathetic heals when under Cleric Stance).

I ignored the guy and got kicked. So tell me friends, is this a thing? I've only been playing for a month now and I would like to know if it is a thing to kick your healer because he won't DPS. If so, you can count one less healer in the mix as I'll be going back to DPS until I have gotten used to the game. My opinion though is that in a dungeon with only one healer, it's not a wise move to go traipsing about in Cleric Stance, especially with a new guy tagging along.

If you ask me if I'm mad, the answer is yes. I don't think I should be kicked for healing as a healer.

Okay, people have given a lot of feedback to what happened, some relating to the OP, other more of a general consensus; these are my thoughts in two parts.

First, in response to the OP. Do I think you should of been kicked, no, do I think you could of done some DPS, even without cleric stance yes. But none of us were in your shoes we don't know how good, or bad, the DPS were. We know the tank was new, but the DPS could of sucked and wanted you to pick up their slack. We all need to remember that, with what little choices we do have, everyones is different, and not everyone will have a skill you "expect" them to have. Like how most people expect Swiftcast for raises, or Protect for Scholars. Each class is designed to be balanced by itself, other abilities are a bonus. I had a lowlevel run with a Scholar, who didn't use protect at the start of the run. I checked her classes and noticed she should have it. But she told me that she prioritized cleric stance over protect. So while she was a Scholar, she acted more like a DPS and did almost no healing. I had to equip protect and use it. I personally thought it was odd, but nothing major. I also had a run, again with a scholar, where they did almost no DPS, I had to ask them why. They said they weren't use to scholaring in lowlevel dungeon and wanted to feel things out. Again understandable. The point of these things is that everyone is giving advice to the OP, about what he should've done, but none of us were there. He was probably feeling out the run, knowing that the tank was new. I wonder if he had stayed, if the DPS might of kicked the tank, because maybe he didn't hold hate well, of didn't pull enough. Everything in the first section of a dungeon helps you figure out how each person plays, so you can change your style if needed.

Now the advise I have as a Scholar main is this: Healer DPS varies between the two roles, and will probably vary for Astrologian once that becomes playable. Here's what I mean. Most people compare Black Mage and Summoner for their DPS potency, and to a degree they do the same for White Mage and Scholar about their healing potency. However, not many people compare the healers DPS potency while accounting for their healing. Now if we just use the DPS of each healer they basically mirror their DPS counterparts, WHM/BLM have larger bursts over a short duration, and SCH/SMN have short bursts over a long duration. But when accounting for healing, the fact is Scholars have an easier time DPSing over White Mages. All of White Mage's spells rely on their Mind stat, Benediction being the only exception. And while White Mages have higher healing potencies they are flying solo, meaning only they are responsible for the healing, at the cost of their MP; which is horrible to manage at times. Scholars on the other hand have an easier time DPSing since not all of their spells are reliant on their mind stat. First, the obvious is, Scholars have help with their fairy, and provided you didn't summon them in cleric stance, their heals are decent. Secondly, Scholars use DoTs, so once all of the DoTs are in place, they can exit cleric stance and focus on healing, while still dealing damage; ruin aside. Third, since they rely on mitigation over powerful heals, they are able to cast Galvenize, which grants them a few second before they need to heal that player again; allowing them enough possible time to switch to cleric stance and back before anyone takes significant damage. And Lastly, Scholars have Lustrate, which is their Benediction, sorta. Lustrate restore 25% of a players HP, but doesn't rely on the mind stat, so it can be used while in cleric stace. And Lustrate is able to be used 3 time within a 60 second cooldown, essentually restoring 75% of a players HP within a minute, as apposed to 100% within five minutes. Now all, if not most of this relates to more end game stuff, and as the two classes are synced down become more balanced. But, the fact is Scholars just have an easier time DPSing, while Whit Mages are the better DPSers.

[Skyhunter]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, there's been a lot of insightful posts that'll help greatly in perfecting my gameplay! I'll lay out how I usually run Halatali just so that people get a better feel for how I play as a healer. Also, I had to shorten this as my first post was 4500 characters long, but I'll try to get everything out. :P

First, I want to say that Kisai is right in several points, especially in Halatali. My mana is low, my armor is nerfed, Shroud of Saints is not an option either... I need to be careful. Second, I do understand the value of DPSing... for example in Halatali, I always DPS the adds in the boss fights. Other than that though, I generally take it pretty carefully because, especially with new people, you can get killed pretty fast by the various 1-shotting attacks of the Bombs and Doctores and such.

Not only that, but with my only spells being Medica, Esuna and Cure with a Raise that can only be cast outside of combat, it's best when I take it easy.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

coolcool, I'm gonna start not using my summoner's pet or not turning on Defiance because I didn't feel like it, let's all be sub-optimal and drag our teammates down with us, yay!

Holy. 200 Potency. 2.5 seconds cast time.

Cleric Stance, makes you deal as much damage as you heal, switching the stats and increasing the damage by 10%.

Hey Sir, if you don't think the primary job of a healer is to heal then your priorities are out of place. While you were being sarcastic in response to my post, your rebuttal needs a bit more thought. You already succeeded in being sub optimal wearing that Daystar gear.

Also you're wrong about holy, it's 3.0 s cast time not 2.5. Cleric stance doesn't "make you deal as much damage as you heal". Its not that absolute. I've never hit a 5000+ stone 2. However I do with cure 2.

Maybe get passed turn 8 then come back and talk about being optimal.