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  1. #11
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    Artair's Avatar
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    Artair Nox
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Obvious troll is obvious.
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  2. #12
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    KaedrianLiang's Avatar
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    Kaedrian Kaeng
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis_Nephthys View Post
    Pretty much everything you said is wrong.
    Can't send messages to other party members. they only way they could communicate like OP claims is that they were que'ed together and face-to-face irl or on a voip. Ingroup fallacy. Illogical use of the vote to kick feature is abuse.

    OP didn't say anything that would be considered harassment, no different from a fellow employee telling another employee "do your job or i'll do it for you." Completely harmless while trying to get the day's work done. Had OP actually pulled mobs intentionally after saying that, then that would be grounds to kick someone.

    That aside, we dont even know if hes telling us everything.

    From what the OP has chosen to reveal to us, if less than all that had transpired, he's a victim of vote kick abuse.

    Personally i've only used the vote to kick feature for players that are:
    A. offline
    B. AFK for an extended period of time without saying anything (example missing a boss, missing 5 pulls, death because of the absence of a player)
    C. Discrimination in the form of IRL race, nation and creed, even if its not directed at anyone in the party. (example, this really did happen: "all you americans think you're right with your speed runs." "buddy not a single one of us is from the US, but we are going to kick you anyways for your belligerence.")
    D. Obvious trolling (example: causing a wipe and demonstrating pride in it)

    I have been kicked for:
    A. Not talking or replying to idle chit chat within the party. There are days where i don't feel like chatting in a DF.
    B. Killing adds instead of focusing the previous boss that was cleared in the 1st attempt.
    C. Not killing adds and focusing boss in the previous boss that cleared in the 1st attempt.
    D. Having the minimum entry requirements to a Duty. This was when i first started playing 2.0. This was not a PF party. Maiden run through relic reborn quest trials. "kick that smn" "what? why?" "your gear sucks" "you have been dismissed from duty"
    E. watching cutscenes, without being prompt to skip cutscenes. This was during my maiden run through praetorium.
    F. No reason at all, maybe they wanted to get their friend in for the last boss kill.
    G. Kicked for giving genuine tips for <class> for <specified duty>, because said player(s) said they were first time to the duty or first time doing the specified duty as that job. Before being kicked they stated that it came off as "we dont like being told what to do."
    H. Players in a random DF que just happen to be from the same server and were very vocal about how they don't like someone in my FC, i chose to ignore his comments and not reply. Failed Logic: You are in the same FC as someone i dont like, therefore i hate you too. You aren't even replying to my harassment of you and your FC, you think you are better than me? /kick
    I. Not pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the tank. Non-speed run.
    J. Pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the Tank. Speed Run.
    K Using a strategy that i knew and worked effectively if not better than what others were accustom to.
    L. Not adding dps as a healer.
    M. Adding dps as a healer.
    N. Not using cleric stance when adding dps as a healer. level sync duty. Only had 2 slots as a sch for additional skills/spells. I chose protect and presence of mind.
    O. Spamming aoe heal's during during Garuda HM as to attract the sister aggro, solo heal 3 runs in no deaths. under 3 minute clears. Must have hurt the 2nd tank's pride, even though i stated "OT focus garuda plz"
    P. Dismounting in Frontlines to heal an ally in another party that's about to be killed, a party member was mumbling about me not being with the party as if i were AFK or intentionally being disruptive.
    Q. As a BLM, using varying Thunder I, II, III, to suit the moment. "Why aren't you using Thunder III all the time?" thats like asking why arent you using fire III all the time?
    R. There's more but this is getting long.

    Majority of players are illogical in both play and life. The Vote to kick feature is being abused more than its legitimately benefiting anyone. Voting is not a right, its a responsibility.
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    Last edited by KaedrianLiang; 03-01-2015 at 02:25 PM.

  3. #13
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    Judging from the example you provided, no vote dismiss abuse happened.
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  4. #14
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    gamersince1976's Avatar
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    Mal Shadowbeard
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    I've been playing since 2.0, unknown how many thousands of hours total, all classes but PLD (49) and WAR (43) to 50, and I've never been vote kicked. I'm not saying there's ALWAYS a good reason for a kick, but if it's happening that often I'd check yourself.

    Because right now it sounds like your wrecking yourself.

    Couldn't help it.
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  5. #15
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    KaedrianLiang's Avatar
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    Kaedrian Kaeng
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AiChyan View Post
    Judging from the example you provided, no vote dismiss abuse happened.
    Saying is different from both Saying+Doing.

    The offenders waited til the last boss to kick with the intent to grief. This is vote kick abuse. Someone uses harmless words, so in response they use up his time and kick him before he gets any reward. Which is the greater evil? The OP is a victim.

    Majority of replies to this thread is enforcing the fact that Majority of players are illogical or motivated by personal agenda.

    Theres a reason why only a handful of people can be chosen to be in a managerial position, a disgusting percentage of the world can't differentiate greater equality from bias. That percentage is even more disgusting in an online game.
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    Last edited by KaedrianLiang; 03-01-2015 at 02:37 PM.

  6. #16
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    AskaRay's Avatar
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    Aeon Rakshasa
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeigusAstora View Post
    I told a tank to stop stopping and to pull things or else I'd pull.
    Don't do this. Why would you do this? If the tank isn't going fast enough just leave.

    The only times I'd ever even think of doing this is with a group of friends, because....yanno. Friends.

    And you can absolutely troll baby dungeons, it's called purposeful Medica abuse. (It's a lot of fun with friends. With strangers............don't do it.)
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  7. #17
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    Aeyis's Avatar
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by gamersince1976 View Post
    I've been playing since 2.0, unknown how many thousands of hours total, all classes but PLD (49) and WAR (43) to 50, and I've never been vote kicked. I'm not saying there's ALWAYS a good reason for a kick, but if it's happening that often I'd check yourself.

    Because right now it sounds like your wrecking yourself.

    Couldn't help it.
    ''Because right now it sounds like your wrecking yourself. ''
    Ironic statement. Either you've not quite played as much as you would like to think, or you have been kicked quite a lot.
    Then again, perhaps its the third option, considering your usage of the phrase ''wreck'':
    *You are part of the problem, that's kicking others for no reason.
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  8. #18
    Player
    Avyiur's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Avyuir Sunstrike
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    In all the dungeons I've run, both low level, high level, max level and raids I have never been vote kicked. That's tanking, healing, and dpsing. Judging by your attitude in regards to your first post, I would say that there is quite a good reason you are being kicked. I would suggest not threatening to pull before the tank, as perhaps the reason they are pulling so few or slowly is because that is what they are comfortable with.
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  9. #19
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    Character
    Erin Grey
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 80
    You'd be surprised how abusive people can be in DF, especially when they're in the same FC. I've been trolled AND vote kicked before. I've been kicked for no reason right before boss fights before. In 4 man dungeons, all it takes is for 2 people to vote yes, and you're gone. I'm aware that I seem to have unnaturally bad luck with this, but it still happens, believe me. Considering DF puts you in groups with people you're likely to never see again, I think it makes some people feel justified in treating others like they're less than human.
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  10. #20
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    Wobi's Avatar
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    Uldah
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    Character
    Aria Erabith
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 100
    I've taken several characters to various 50 jobs dating back to 1.0 and never have I been kicked or encountered half of these villainous players being portrayed here. I've had to vote kick a few offline people and I even felt terrible about that but we had waited over 10 minutes or so for them to hopefully get back online. I always say hello and try to be generally positive even when doing some of the more mundane dungeon crawls. I'm curious how many commendations many of these people have, remember the attitude you bring in with you is contagious. If you have a chip on your shoulder it will likely spread to others and once a small mistake or disagreement occurs people are already on the defensive. Never forget it's just a game guys, take it easy and be happy, you might just make someones day.
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    Just your friendly neighborhood elezen

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