Carbontwine and coats from hunts? doing this to us again?

[Toystore]

It just sounds like you were from ur post that is all. The new weekly does make older stuff better, i do like that however hunts for me is a bonus as i can catch up and get my armour upgraded so then i might have a chance to do Final coil. And it also takes longer then the old hunt system with the Soldiery armour and the whole Sand of time easy mode.

I want to just make sure its very clear that I am against hunts. No hyperbole when I say how bad they are. I've never seen a mechanic turn me off from an MMO so fast, and I've been around since Planes of Power. People not doing them should have been a sign to SE that they are like going to the dentist. Forcing them as a means of non capped catch up with no other alternative (dungeons, primals, crafting) is not going to make hunts any more appealing. Mostly I see it as a sign they aren't willing to abandon the reality that maybe the reason people don't do hunts is because of how lame they are as a concept, and juking the rewards and giving no alternatives to the catch-up past cap is going to have the opposite effect and bring hunts even more hate.

[Skeith-Adeline]

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So, tell me cleanly. Why do you hate hunts? Because you feel like that is the only way to catch up to raiders?

[ScarletDawn]

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Well they didnt add carbontwine or Tomes to WoD, so people have to settle for the next best thing..and that is hunts, i hate hunts they bore me and i can barely stand doing 2 -3, but honestly its a lot more hassle and takes more time then before.

[Black91CRX]

Giving people options is a good thing.

[Toystore]

I hate hunts as a concept, but that being the only way they implemented catch up beyond the weekly is the perfect storm of what I see as unfocused and inexperienced design decisions.

Because it's the only way to catch up in a pragmatic fashion is not why I hate hunts. That's why I'm no longer playing the game. Why I hate hunts:

It's AFK gameplay. Most of it is spent alt tabbed, or having players teleport around zones, riding every which way getting dazed by mobs to find weak A and S ranks to shout about. There's a whole infrastructure built around gaming the respawns because this stage is so annoying.

Aside from being AFK gameplay, you can't actually commit to anything while you are afk, because once the chaos starts and people know the A rank is up, you have to get your ass to mars, , and get enough credit for full seals before the thing goes down. And the hunt always loves to appear on the furthest point in the map too. If you aren't in a hunting party at the time, then you have to awkwardly shout and opt into the hunt with a group, everyone looks around waiting for invites and not sending them, and all of this tense socialization and work to put together a full party is negated 10 seconds after the thing is dead.

I'd sit there and throw a stone on it, it's about as lazy and effortless as you need to be to kill the thing, but I wouldn't get credit. But I don't want credit. I want to be able not to participate in hunts and still play the catch up game. Moreso I have heard this happened in 2.3 and SE said they learned, but seeing they did it again in 2.5, what is bothering me is going forward are they going to do this again? in 3.2? In 4.5? Because saying they learned from hunts is a lie, clearly we are back here. I came back in 2.4 so I don't know exactly what went down in 2.3, but as conjecture moving forward this is a design decision that makes me worry about future design decisions regarding the importance of hunts and if they really learned or not.

[Tiggy]

It's AFK gameplay. Most of it is spent alt tabbed

I kick players that do this from my group and all other groups should. Help find the mob or gtfo. I find this reason you listed as silly. Only baddies AFK hunt and leech from the hard work of their team and other players. It's not how it was intended to be played. It's how bad people play.

[Toystore]

I kick players that do this from my group and all other groups should. Help find the mob or gtfo. I find this reason you listed as silly. Only baddies AFK hunt and leech from the hard work of their team and other players. It's not how it was intended to be played. It's how bad people play.

And that's another problem with hunts. Who cares if you kick a leech. You're broadcasting to the wide world where it is and doing the work for them/us. Why do we care that you kick us? The leeches form a splinter group, follow you to the mark. You either hide the location from the world and harbor distrust and conflict in the community, or the leeches with better things to do with their time than hunts (root canal) just follow the bread crumb trail.

And also you'll be seeing more of these leech guys, so expect to do more kicks in 2.5. Not that it affects them, they don't have to be in your group. They just need an awkwardly formed social hive of 8 players to gain enough enmity for credit and its alt tab some more.

[Tiggy]

You're broadcasting to the wide world where it is and doing the work for them/us. Why do we care that you kick us?

If you aren't in my group there is a better chance you'll get the call late and never make it if we are the one that finds the mob. I find enough comfort in that. If you're in my party you're actively hunting. Period. This is my free time I'm spending hunting and trying to progress. Not happy go lucky welfare group time. If you want to leech join a leech group. There is literally no reason I have to look at them in my party list while they do nothing. The apathy of others is no reason to have apathy myself. Two wrongs don't make a right. You're reasoning falls flat and lacks substance. It doesn't actually have to punish them for me to refuse to be a part of there laziness. If I do keep them in my party and I find the mob then their laziness pays off due to my personal handwork. That is unacceptable.

[Deathscythe343]

The upgrade items could have been handled better. It seems that things would have probably been better if these items dropped in WoD, on a separate lockout like what was alluded to, and give players the ability to get these items in a similar fashion as was ST. At the moment the items are locked behind content that it seems, the large majority of the player base, does not do. This is especially true for CT and ST now. It seems silly to make players go back through content, that is more than a year old at this point, to upgrade current high ilvl gear.

[Toystore]

No my reasoning is perfect. Short of being your own 8 man maverick group by itself, you are going to be criticized for an early pull in an attempt to "show it to the leechers"

Unless everyone hunting is in their own secret social bubble which thereby splinters the server even further, the information of where the hunt is is not difficult knowledge to obtain through various channels or friends. Anyone can get there before a late pull without any trouble while alt tabbed. And I'm glad you resent leechers, because that's what hunts do. They harbor resentment between various players by design. Expect that resentment to increase exponentially as more people who don't want to be there are showing up for their seals.